[arin-ppml] DoD to sell 13 x /8 of its IPv4 Blocks over the next 10 years and need for ARIN-2019-19

Bill Woodcock woody at pch.net
Thu Dec 19 09:05:34 EST 2019


Apparently it was in the House Bill, but was removed in the Senate version, and didn’t make it through conference. 
    
                -Bill


> On Dec 19, 2019, at 14:49, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
> 
> I thought the budget bill already passed.  Did it contain the IPv4 sell provisions or not?  Anyone know what the bill number was, and if it was signed by the President?
> 
> Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.
> 
>> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Ca By wrote:
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 4:03 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
>>      I see this as an instant headache for a lot of larger network operators
>>      who are using portions of this DOD space like RFC1918 addresses.  Once
>>      these addresses become public, those operators are going to have to
>>      renumber that space. That is 16.9 million hosts per block used.
>> 
>>      Maybe these operators will take the lead of the DOD and move those hosts
>>      to IPv6 instead, where there is plenty of space.  Since the space is
>>      already not directly addressable, it would simply be a matter of changing
>>      the existing NAT to use v6 as its input, or adding a v6 address to their
>>      proxy servers.
>> Or maybe nobody moves
>> And the USG has no leverage to make them move
>> And the value of said addresses is impaired. 
>> Also, the language requiring the DoD to move has been removed from the bill. Likely because relevant budget organs of government explained how it is
>> fiscally impossible to get to ipv6 for them. You can search this archive for one M. Py for a template of what they may say about running old systems. 
>> I am sure the DoD contractor lobbyist and maybe even address broker lobbyist get those provisions added back, as there is tax payer money to be made 
>> 
>>      With all this space likely coming to the market soon, now is the time to
>>      adopt the proposal to require v6 use before allowing anyone to receive
>>      this v4 space.  While this will help the v4 supply, DOD may find the price
>>      collapsed at the end of the 10 year period if IPv6 uptake increases due to
>>      DOD and other use of IPv6 instead of IPv4.
>> 
>>      As far as those who suggest the IPv4 space problem is solved, based on use
>>      rates before runout, this may buy us 2 or 3 years.  However the DOD has 10
>>      years to sell, and by then, the IPv4 market may already be collapsed to
>>      near zero levels depending upon the uptake of IPv6, which will be lead by
>>      DOD purchases of IPv6 only equipment to follow the mandate.
>> 
>>      Albert Erdmann
>>      Network Administrator
>>      Paradise On Line Inc.
>> 
>>      On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Fernando Frediani wrote:
>> 
>>      >
>>      > I believe these are relevant news to this list
>>      >
>>      > https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1790/text#toc-H3733C370A69A4095B62B213B52530170
>>      >
>>      > "IPv6 strategy made it into NDAA 2020, requiring DOD to sell 13 x /8s
>>      > (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 10 years after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall sell all of the IPv4
>>      addresses described in
>>      > subsection (b) at fair market value."
>>      >
>>      > Finally is happening.
>>      > I imagined that one day they would return something, but decided to sell. However, looking at the good side, this makes all this wasted space
>>      to become utilized.
>>      >
>>      > A few questions that arise are: how will this selling process happen, if directly, through brokers, if there will be any mechanism to
>>      distribute this selling among
>>      > each one of all 5 RIRs or if it will be opened in the model "first come, first served"
>>      >
>>      > And before something says, I don't believe this will make any big difference to IPv6 implementation to advance or delay it significantly.
>>      > Even talking about more than 200 million IPv4 addresses, I don't think this will change much this scenario if they are put directly at end
>>      users disposition.
>>      >
>>      > Finally, an important detail to highlight in the report is: "(D) The plan of the Secretary to transition all Department addresses to IPv6."
>>      >
>>      > Let's see who will be the big buyers and how will this affect the IPv4 value for the next years.
>>      >
>>      > Regards
>>      > Fernando Frediani
>>      >
>>      >
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