[arin-ppml] DoD to sell 13 x /8 of its IPv4 Blocks over the next 10 years and need for ARIN-2019-19

Thu Dec 19 09:18:08 EST 2019

Good catch Bill.  I had burned more time than I desired digging
through the committee reports

to find this tidbit (Sec. 1088 is Disposal of IPv4):

      The House amendment contained a provision (sec. 1088)

that would require the Department of Defense to sell several

blocks of internet protocol version 4 addresses over a period

of ten years.

      The Senate bill contained no similar provision.

      The House recedes.

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:05 AM Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:

> Apparently it was in the House Bill, but was removed in the Senate
> version, and didn’t make it through conference.
>
>                 -Bill
>
>
> > On Dec 19, 2019, at 14:49, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
> >
> > I thought the budget bill already passed.  Did it contain the IPv4 sell
> provisions or not?  Anyone know what the bill number was, and if it was
> signed by the President?
> >
> > Albert Erdmann
> > Network Administrator
> > Paradise On Line Inc.
> >
> >> On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Ca By wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 4:03 AM <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
> >>      I see this as an instant headache for a lot of larger network
> operators
> >>      who are using portions of this DOD space like RFC1918 addresses.
> Once
> >>      these addresses become public, those operators are going to have to
> >>      renumber that space. That is 16.9 million hosts per block used.
> >>
> >>      Maybe these operators will take the lead of the DOD and move those
> hosts
> >>      to IPv6 instead, where there is plenty of space.  Since the space
> is
> >>      already not directly addressable, it would simply be a matter of
> changing
> >>      the existing NAT to use v6 as its input, or adding a v6 address to
> their
> >>      proxy servers.
> >> Or maybe nobody moves
> >> And the USG has no leverage to make them move
> >> And the value of said addresses is impaired.
> >> Also, the language requiring the DoD to move has been removed from the
> bill. Likely because relevant budget organs of government explained how it
> is
> >> fiscally impossible to get to ipv6 for them. You can search this
> archive for one M. Py for a template of what they may say about running old
> systems.
> >> I am sure the DoD contractor lobbyist and maybe even address broker
> lobbyist get those provisions added back, as there is tax payer money to be
> made
> >>
> >>      With all this space likely coming to the market soon, now is the
> time to
> >>      adopt the proposal to require v6 use before allowing anyone to
> receive
> >>      this v4 space.  While this will help the v4 supply, DOD may find
> the price
> >>      collapsed at the end of the 10 year period if IPv6 uptake
> increases due to
> >>      DOD and other use of IPv6 instead of IPv4.
> >>
> >>      As far as those who suggest the IPv4 space problem is solved,
> based on use
> >>      rates before runout, this may buy us 2 or 3 years.  However the
> DOD has 10
> >>      years to sell, and by then, the IPv4 market may already be
> collapsed to
> >>      near zero levels depending upon the uptake of IPv6, which will be
> lead by
> >>      DOD purchases of IPv6 only equipment to follow the mandate.
> >>
> >>      Albert Erdmann
> >>      Network Administrator
> >>      Paradise On Line Inc.
> >>
> >>      On Thu, 19 Dec 2019, Fernando Frediani wrote:
> >>
> >>      >
> >>      > I believe these are relevant news to this list
> >>      >
> >>      >
> https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/1790/text#toc-H3733C370A69A4095B62B213B52530170
> >>      >
> >>      > "IPv6 strategy made it into NDAA 2020, requiring DOD to sell 13
> x /8s
> >>      > (1) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 10 years after the date of the
> enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense shall sell all of the IPv4
> >>      addresses described in
> >>      > subsection (b) at fair market value."
> >>      >
> >>      > Finally is happening.
> >>      > I imagined that one day they would return something, but decided
> to sell. However, looking at the good side, this makes all this wasted space
> >>      to become utilized.
> >>      >
> >>      > A few questions that arise are: how will this selling process
> happen, if directly, through brokers, if there will be any mechanism to
> >>      distribute this selling among
> >>      > each one of all 5 RIRs or if it will be opened in the model
> "first come, first served"
> >>      >
> >>      > And before something says, I don't believe this will make any
> big difference to IPv6 implementation to advance or delay it significantly.
> >>      > Even talking about more than 200 million IPv4 addresses, I don't
> think this will change much this scenario if they are put directly at end
> >>      users disposition.
> >>      >
> >>      > Finally, an important detail to highlight in the report is: "(D)
> The plan of the Secretary to transition all Department addresses to IPv6."
> >>      >
> >>      > Let's see who will be the big buyers and how will this affect
> the IPv4 value for the next years.
> >>      >
> >>      > Regards
> >>      > Fernando Frediani
> >>      >
> >>      >
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