[arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

Marilson Mapa marilson.mapa at gmail.com
Mon Apr 29 09:25:48 EDT 2019


The solutions are so simple and obvious that non-adoption and permanent
refusal to discuss the problem compromises the integrity, honor, and
character of the actors involved. All actors in this game have AUPs, ToSs
and contractual ASPs on their site. Just put it into practice. And punish
those who do not act like that.

Keep pretending that the problem is out of everyone's scope and the free
Internet you so much desire will be shaped by politicians. And I'll be
around to point the finger at those who by greed and lack of ethics, dared
to do nothing.

Marilson

Em dom, 28 de abr de 2019 às 13:14, Michel Py <
michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us> escreveu:

> >> Michel Py wrote:
> >> That being said, this thing about policy violation is ridiculous. The
> way I see it, it's a
> >> contract violation. Policy has nothing to do with it. Now where it gets
> hairy is in a
> >> cross-RIR situation, where the alleged hijacked prefix is in contract
> with another RIR.
> >> I see it as a contract violation, therefore I oppose making it a policy
> violation.
>
> > Hank Nussbacher wrote :
> > So if you consider it a contract violation, what remedy do you recommend?
>
> None coming from ARIN. This thing is futile, IMHO. What could ARIN do ?
> A fine ? invalidating the alleged hijacker ARIN membership and reclaiming
> legit prefixes that the member may have ? Taking their ASN back ? Sue them ?
> Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see any of this happening. Without radical
> changes to ARIN's mission and scope, this is moot.
>
> > Ronald F. Guilmette wrote :
> > Here in our area, we have an entity that builds and maintains most of
> the roads.
>
> Unfortunatly,  the Internet is global. An ARIN prefix could be hijacked in
> any part of the world, or vice-versa.
> There is no "our area".
>
> > And as I have noted above, the same "governance" entity that paints the
> lines
> > on the road should also be the one enforcing those lines and those rules.
> > Anything else is  just unworkable, as history has already amply proven.
>
> If that is what you want, you need to give ARIN enforcement powers and the
> resources to do so that are not currently there.
>
> Michel.
>
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