[arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

Marilson Mapa marilson.mapa at gmail.com
Sun Apr 28 12:21:45 EDT 2019

Jordi, you're being naive by not considering the true reasons of the
members of the AC.


Em sáb, 27 de abr de 2019 às 05:35, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml at arin.net> escreveu:

> Hi Owen,
> I will be interesting to have figures about this in all the RIRs. How many
> are members, how many not, how many are clearly intentional vs fat fingers,
> etc.
> Somebody already replied with an example of a member hijacking ... and
> this is interesting, because you know the excuse I get every other day from
> spammers that keep using my email addresses when I complain because they
> haven't deleted them from their databases?
> "I'm sorry, it was a mistake, we deleted your email from the wrong
> database" "we recovered it from the wrong backup" day after day even if
> they have no right to firstly register my email without previous and
> explicit consent !
> I know is a totally different topic but a good way to respond if members
> follow rules/policies/laws and is good or not to remember those rules with
> explicit text, so excuses are not longer excusable.
> Regards,
> Jordi
> El 27/4/19 1:30, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com> escribió:
>     > On Apr 26, 2019, at 13:54 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
> jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
>     >
>     > Hi Owen,
>     >
>     > So, you believe that if an ARIN member is repeatedly misusing the
> resources from another member, is just fine and the ARIN membership which
> rules are the policies, should not care about this behavior and members
> should not get their exclusive rights to use their allocated resources
> protected by policies?
>     No… I believe that it is unlikely that ARIN members are the ones
> repeatedly misusing the resources.
>     Really, do you have some reason to believe that the majority of
> hijackers are actually RIR members? I have pretty strong reason based on
> both experience/observation of past hijacking events and my understanding
> of the social fabric of RIRs to believe that is unlikely.
>     > In other words. Will you at least support something in the line of:
>     > "The resources are allocated for the exclusive use of the recipient.
> Consequently, other members can't use them (unless authorized by the
> legitimate resource-holder) and not following this rule is a policy
> violation”.
>     Sure, but what’s the point? If it’s non-members that are committing
> the hijacking (and I believe that is the case), what good does a
> restriction on other members do?
>     It’s sort of like saying “Law abiding citizens, please be aware that
> breaking the law will make you a non-law abiding citizen.”
>     It’s a lovely little tautology, but at the end of the day, it’s still
> a no-op.
>     Owen
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