[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers
Jay Borkenhagen
jayb at braeburn.org
Thu Apr 4 16:28:51 EDT 2019
David,
The thing this policy proposal seeks to permit is a different kind of
transfer than what you cite.
It has nothing to do with transfers related to M&A activity involving
the resource holder.
What's under discussion is the case where someone holds a resource
that is currently administered by one RIR, and they would like another
RIR to administer it in the future. Perhaps the resource is now with
APNIC, and the resource holder would prefer the entire resource to be
administered by ARIN instead. Or perhaps it's now with ARIN, and the
resource holder would prefer the whole thing to be moved to LACNIC.
Thanks.
Jay B.
David Farmer writes:
> Thanks for clarifying the policy you were referring to.
>
> In ARIN Transfer Policy there are significant differences between IPv4,
> ASNs, and IPv6, are you suggesting all these differences should be
> eliminated? Or are you suggesting an equivalent mechanism to transfer IPv6
> resources inter-regionally is needed to the one that exists for
> transferring IPv6 within the ARIN region?
>
> Currently, ARIN Transfer Policy allows;
>
> A. All resource types to be transferred within the ARIN region as part of a
> Merger, Acquisition, or Reorganization (Section 8.2).
>
> B. Only IPv4 and ASNs to be transferred to unrelated organizations (a
> designated organization) within the region or to another region (Sections
> 8.3, 8.4, and 8.5).
>
> Option A has been the case for a long time, whereas option B is more recent
> and mostly a result of IPv4 runout and the approaching runout of 16-bit
> ASNs. Further, there are differences in how a transfer is
> justified between the two options; in option A, legal documentation
> justifies the transfer, whereas in option B the need of the recipient
> organization justifies the transfer.
>
> There are two different ways to modify the current policy to accomplish
> inter-regional transfers of IPv6 resource;
>
> 1. Modify option A above to include inter-regional transfers.
> 2. Modify option B above to include IPv6.
>
> By my read of the community, there are strong objections to option #2,
> expanding option B to include IPv6. Whereas there seems to be some
> acknowledgment that option #1, expanding Option A to include transfers to
> other regions, could be reasonable.
>
> Put another way, the greatest objections seems to be allowing IPv6
> transfers to unrelated organizations either within the region or to other
> regions, and far fewer objections to allowing IPv6 transfers to related
> organizations in another region.
>
> I think for the community to evaluate these two options it needs to
> understand the use-cases people have for inter-region IPv6 transfers. The
> use-cases brought up by Jordi and the problem statement seems to fall
> within expanding option A to include inter-region transfers. So unless
> someone else has use-cases that need option B to be expanded to include
> IPv6, then expanding option A to include inter-region transfers seems less
> controversial and more likely to gain consensus.
>
> So looking for what seems possible; I suggest we focus on option #1,
> expanding option A to include inter-region transfers, rather than option
> #2, expanding option B to include IPv6.
>
> Comments and suggestions, please.
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 3:33 PM Tal, Guy <guy.tal at centurylink.com> wrote:
>
> > What's the difference between an ipv4 address and an ipv6 address (other
> > than a couple of bits)?
> >
> > Guy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 1:15 PM
> > To: Tal, Guy <guy.tal at level3.com>; ARIN <info at arin.net>;
> > arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional
> > IPv6 Resource Transfers
> >
> > Although I agree conceptually, I'm not sure its practical to have all
> > policies apply to both IP4 & IP6. They are different and the differences
> > require polices that cover the differences.
> >
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Tal, Guy
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 3, 2019 3:47 PM
> > To: ARIN <info at arin.net>; arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional
> > IPv6 Resource Transfers
> >
> > Sorry all, this is the thread I meant to throw my support behind, not
> > ARIN-2018-5. I think we should treat v6 the same as v4, resource is
> > resource.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Guy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ARIN <info at arin.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 12:52 PM
> > To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> > Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6
> > Resource Transfers
> >
> > On 21 March 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
> > "ARIN-prop-263: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers" as a Draft
> > Policy.
> >
> > The Draft Policy text is below and can be found at:
> > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_4/
> >
> > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> > evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
> > policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
> > in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
> >
> > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> > * Technically Sound
> > * Supported by the Community
> >
> > The PDP can be found at:
> > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
> >
> > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> > https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sean Hopkins
> > Policy Analyst
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> >
> >
> >
> > Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers
> >
> > Problem Statement:
> >
> > There is an operational need to allow RIR transfers of IPv6 resources
> > between RIRs with an equivalent transfer policy. ARIN’s RPKI Trust Anchor
> > (TA) is measurably less widely deployed than TAs from other RIRs.
> > As a consequence, RPKI ROAs published through ARIN offer less value.
> > Operators seeking to extract the most value from their investment in
> > IPv6 would benefit from the ability to transfer IPv6 resources to RIRs
> > with more widely deployed RPKI Trust Anchors.
> >
> > Policy Statement:
> >
> > Change the first sentence in section 8.4 from:
> >
> > “Inter-regional transfers of IPv4 number resources and ASNs may take place
> > only via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible
> > needs-based policies.”
> >
> > To:
> >
> > “Inter-regional transfers of Internet number resources may take place only
> > via RIRs who agree to the transfer and share reciprocal, compatible
> > needs-based policies.”
> >
> > Comments:
> >
> > Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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