[arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

[Roberts, Orin]

I am assuming Ronald is aware of this.

https://www.arin.net/knowledge/rirs/ARINcountries.html

ARIN's geographical service area includes all of the countries in the list below. 
Complete List of Countries in the ARIN Region
Canada Sector	A 2	A 3	Region
CANADA	CA	CAN	ARIN
Caribbean and North Atlantic Islands Sector	A 2	A 3	Region
ANGUILLA	AI	AIA	ARIN
ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA	AG	ATG	ARIN
BAHAMAS	BS	BHS	ARIN
BARBADOS	BB	BRB	ARIN
BERMUDA	BM	BMU	ARIN
CAYMAN ISLANDS	KY	CYM	ARIN
DOMINICA	DM	DMA	ARIN
GRENADA	GD	GRD	ARIN
GUADELOUPE	GP	GLP	ARIN
JAMAICA	JM	JAM	ARIN
MARTINIQUE	MQ	MTQ	ARIN
MONTSERRAT	MS	MSR	ARIN
SAINT BARTHELEMY	BL	BLM	ARIN
SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS	KN	KNA	ARIN
SAINT LUCIA	LC	LCA	ARIN
ST. PIERRE AND MIQUELON	PM	SPM	ARIN
SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES	VC	VCT	ARIN
ST. MARTIN	MF	MAF	ARIN
TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS	TC	TCA	ARIN
VIRGIN ISLANDS (BRITISH)	VG	VGB	ARIN
United States Sector	A 2	A 3	Region
UNITED STATES	US	USA	ARIN
PUERTO RICO
PR	PRI	ARIN
VIRGIN ISLANDS (U.S.)
VI	VIR	ARIN
UNITED STATES MINOR OUTLYING ISLANDS
UM	UMI	ARIN
Outlying Areas Sector	A 2	A 3	Region
ANTARCTICA	AQ	ATA	ARIN
BOUVET ISLAND	BV	BVT	ARIN
HEARD AND MC DONALD ISLANDS	HM	HMD	ARIN
ST. HELENA	SH	SHN	ARIN





Orin Roberts



-----Original Message-----
From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
Sent: July-13-18 7:50 AM
To: Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>; ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners

Ronald,

In answer to your question 

    I would like to know if there is, or would be, 
    general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for
    concrete documentation of the identities of the beneficial
    owners (say, for 25% ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded 
    corporate entities to which ARIN assigns number resources.

I don't know about general hostility, but I personally am hostile to this notion.

I have a couple of reasons:

1. As a small company, we have better things to do than provide more documentation.
2. This looks a lot like a search for a problem in hopes of suggesting that the problem exists rather than a response to a real problem.

Keith


-----Original Message-----
From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Ronald F. Guilmette
Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:36 PM
To: ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Beneficial Owners


In message <CAC4yj2X+hS4rjyCHiLagk9AQVWa3ZFYvs_0O2gE12YVXO2genA at mail.gmail.com>
Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:

>I know neither of these directly answer your question.

Well, in a word, no.  but I appreciate your response as it does shed a bit more light on this overall topic.

Of course, I have no real idea what the exact meaning of this phrase is:
"provided that the applicant has a real and substantial connection with the ARIN region".  But that's OK, because I don't imagine that anybody else has either, and I intuit that this exact squishy phraseology was made a part of ARIN-2015-5 rather deliberately, to insure general acceptance of the larger proposal.

To return to my original point however, I would like to know if there is, or would be, general hostility to the notion of ARIN asking for concrete documentation of the identities of the beneficial owners (say, for 25% ownership or above) of non-publicly-traded corporate entities to which ARIN assigns number resources.

As should be evident, in the current era, and given the various shenanigans, political and otherwise, that have dogged the Internet generally in recent years, I personally am of the opinion that additional transparency is not only warranted but necessary, even if for no other reason than to fully comply with both the letter and the spirit of existing law and various international sanction regimes.
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