[arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network
farmer at umn.edu
Tue Oct 3 20:34:33 EDT 2017
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Richard J Letts <rjletts at uw.edu> wrote:
> My point of view
> a) I am not sure why educational institutions are not able to pay
> the fees for other categories of usage, or why they need an exception.
> ARIN staff would need to decide if the application satisfies this: “a
> volunteer group, not-for-profit, non-profit, or charitable organization”
> I’ve been involved with enough community groups to know that two of
> these have weak governance structures that fail when there are conflicts (a
> volunteer group and being a non-core aspect of a charitable organization),
> inevitably leading to the collapse of the organization. I’m not going to
> prejudge that debate here, but consider striking them. If the community
> organization doesn’t have 501(c)3 status in the US they are leaving out the
> opportunity to save money and get grants.
> Without a legal entity ‘owning’ the space how would ARIN know they were
> dealing with, who is legally allowed to dispose of the space, etc.
Does it matter if they are non-profit? I believe that was originally
included with the hopes that the board to offer a discount. The board has
hasn't provided a discount, I doubt they ever will. The board did provided
the 3X-small fee category, which by policy is not available to ISPs. What
if community networks are allowed to be a 3X-small ISPs, the basic idea
behind ARIN-2016-7. Having community networks be 3X-Small ISPs seems to be
more aligned with what they are doing, it allows them to SWIP, where if
they are an end-user they can not.
So, again, does it matter if they are non-profit? How a bout we focus on
what they are and what do, rather than how they are incorporated or
"Community networks, communications infrastructure deployed and operated by
citizens to meet their own communication needs, are being increasingly
proposed as a solution to connect the unconnected."
Citizen isn't the right word for here, but how about users? So how about
something like this.
"A community network is a network deployed, operated and governed by it's
users, with a purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity within to
its user's and the community in which they reside?"
By going to 3X-small ISP, if a community network is or gets big they pay
the same as any other ISP of their size, if they are truly small they have
access to the 3X-small ISP fee category. And, ARIN staff doesn't have to
poke its nose into the financial status of an organization, for-profit or
> b) Who cares if they provide ‘other Information Technology services’
> to their community; we’re talking about internet access here
If in addition to "connectivity" they also provide email or web hosting is
David Farmer Email:farmer at umn.edu
Networking & Telecommunication Services
Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota
2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815
Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952
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