[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment

Larry Ash lar at mwtcorp.net
Thu Nov 30 19:25:05 EST 2017

On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:30:41 -0600
  David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
> Larry,
> Out of curiosity, are the reassignments you refer to Simple or Detailed
> Reassignments?  I ask be cause this policy should only affect Detailed
> Reassignments, as they have their own POCs, and it is those POC will have
> to be validated because of this policy.  Simple Reassignments don't have
> their own POCs, the organization making the reassignment remains the POC.
> Therefore this policy has no affect on Simple Reassignments, it should only
> affect Detailed Reassignments.
> Reading what you say below, I get the impression that most of the SWIPs in
> question are or at least could be Simple Reassignments. If they are not
> Simple Reassignments, please help me understand the reasons for that.
They are simple reassignments. I am reacting mostly to:

> 3.8 Downstream Validation of Simple Reassignments
> When an ISP submits a valid simple reassigment request to ARIN with an organization name OR postal address that is identical to one or more existing OrgIDs, ARIN will notify the downstream organization and obtain guidance on whether to accept the simple reassigment, or redirect it to one of the existing OrgIDs as a detailed reassignment.

My problem that the ORG name is sometimes the same for multiple remote offices and the address can be the same for multiple 
in the same building.


> Thanks.
> On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 4:04 PM, Larry Ash <lar at mwtcorp.net> wrote:
>> I oppose this Policy,
>> The result of this would be I would have to pretty much stop SWIP
>> submissions. Many of my reassignments are
>> small enough that SWIP is optional anyway. Of the aprox 110 reassignments
>> I have made, 3 have someone there that could
>> respond to an issue, one of which for some reason hates ARIN and refuses
>> to have anything to do with them. An additional
>> dozen or so might very well send you their email password if you ask and
>> claim to be their email provider.
>> I have chosen to SWIP small reassignments for ease of justification if
>> further IPv4 is needed and for transparency to
>> the net if an issue arises. Some are multiple geographically dispersed
>> offices of a single enity. Some are multiple
>> tenents of a larger multi-tenent building. The IT resources for many of
>> these offices are frequently consultants
>> or corporate folks that might be hundreds of miles away. Neither is likely
>> to respond to POC requests.
>> That, I though, was the idea for the simple reassignment. I remain the POC
>> for the reassignment and am responsive to
>> issues when contacted.
>> Larry Ash COO
>> Mountain West Telephone
>> 123 W 1st St.
>> Casper, WY 82601
>> Office 307 233-8387
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Larry Ash COO
Mountain West Telephone
123 W 1st St.
Casper, WY 82601
Office 307 233-8387

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