[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Mon Nov 27 16:28:18 EST 2017

I support this proposal in principle. I'm not sure that 10 days is enough
time to work out a valid POC in some cases. If it is a new POC they need to
be made aware of what it means to be the POC and what is expected of them,
and some folks may want to set up a listserv or email group and make sure
all the members of the group understand the role associated with being a

​ Jones​

On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 5:43 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:

> On 16 November 2017, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced
> "ARIN-prop-247: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment" to Draft
> Policy status.
> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12 is below and can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_12.html
> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> * Technically Sound
> * Supported by the Community
> The PDP can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
> Regards,
> Sean Hopkins
> Policy Analyst
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-12: Require New POC Validation Upon Reassignment
> Problem Statement:
> Some large ISPs assign individuals to be POCs for reassigned blocks
> without consultation of the individual they are inserting into Whois. One
> year later, the POC is contacted by ARIN as part of Annual POC Validation
> policies.  The POC often does not know who ARIN is, what Whois is, and why
> they are in Whois.
> This policy proposal seeks to improve the situation where a POC is
> unwittingly and unwantingly inserted into Whois.
> It also seeks to mitigate the significant amount of time that ARIN staff
> reports that they spend fielding phone calls from POCs who have no idea
> they are in Whois.
> Finally, it is hopeful that this proposal will improve the overall POC
> validation situation, by forcing ISPs and customers to work together to
> insert proper information into Whois at the time of sub-delegation.
> Policy statement:
> Insert two new sections into NRPM 3:
> 3.7 New POC Validation Upon Reassignment
> When an ISP submits a valid reallocation or detailed reassignment request
> to ARIN which would result in a new POC object being created, ARIN must
> (before otherwise approving the request) contact the new POC by email for
> validation. ARIN's notification will, at a minimum, notify the POC of:
> - the information about the organization submitting the record; and
> - the resource(s) to which the POC is being attached; and
> - the organization(s) to which the POC is being attached.
> If the POC validates the request, the request shall be accepted by ARIN
> and the new objects inserted into Whois.  If the POC does not validate the
> request within 10 days, ARIN must reject the request.
> 3.8 Downstream Validation of Simple Reassignments
> When an ISP submits a valid simple reassigment request to ARIN with an
> organization name OR postal address that is identical to one or more
> existing OrgIDs, ARIN will notify the downstream organization and obtain
> guidance on whether to accept the simple reassigment, or redirect it to one
> of the existing OrgIDs as a detailed reassignment.
> Comments:
> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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