[arin-ppml] ARIN Draft Policy 2017-3: Update to NPRM 3.6: Annual Whois POC Validation

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Wed May 10 17:57:14 EDT 2017

Just as a point of information, can someone from ARIN tell us under what 
conditions (if any) is the POC or the rDNS pointers removed under the 
current policy?  I was doing a bit of looking, and I assume that in any 
case this policy can only affect legacy class B and C holders, as it 
appears that PTR records for class A legacy holders do not pass ARIN at 
any point in the lookup chain, instead being hosted by IAB/ICANN/IANA at 
the /8 level, making it impossible for the PTR records to be removed by 

Also John Curran was on earlier and said that legacy holders still receive 
rDNS and are permitted to update their POC's.  So what is the story? 
What subset (if any) of legacy POC's cannot currently change their info, 
and what triggers that status?

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Wed, 10 May 2017, Chris James wrote:

> Unless reasonable efforts are made to contact the POC, and this includes
> researching and contacting the organization along with every possibly
> department, identifying clearly the reason for the call, and actually
> trying to update the POC, I fully entirely 100% disagree with discontinuing
> rDNS services.
> Image the negative affect to a small ISP who purchases a unit of a major
> corporation, somehow the transfer is not done properly, something is not
> updated properly, and suddenly every customer of that small ISP who does
> not realize they missed updating the POC on a /18 and now a few hundred
> small businesses are screwed?
> Image the reverse situation. A major corporation buys a small ISP, I know
> we care less and less about the negative impact of policy on ma bell, but
> how many innocent users will not receive email, how many inexperienced
> users cannot access their own regional bank due to SSL issues thanks to an
> arbitrary removal of a few pointers that cost absolutely nothing to keep up?
> I wholly disagree with policy that has the potential to negatively impact
> innocent or otherwise inexperienced users based on the unwillingness of an
> actual human person to do minor due diligence. If this is too costly an
> endeavor for ARIN, scrap the policy altogether.
> Am I reading too far into this or is this outcome entirely impossible?
> *Chris James*
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> On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 12:28 PM, <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:
>> So in effect, all the proposed 3.6.4 does is to formalize what is the
>> current practice of allowing the change.  Thus, there should be no problems
>> with the change.
>> Albert Erdmann
>> Network Administrator
>> Paradise On Line Inc.
>> On Wed, 10 May 2017, John Curran wrote:
>> On 10 May 2017, at 2:34 PM, John Santos <JOHN at egh.com<mailto:JOHN at egh.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I'm a little confused by this because my company is a legacy holder and
>>> I'm certain I've updated our POC information several times in the past.
>>> (At least once because the phone company changed our area code, once
>>> because the Post Office changed our ZIP code, and one of our original POCs
>>> retired and I changed our company's administrative POC as a result.)  I've
>>> also changed our rDNS server addresses several times over the years. If it
>>> makes any difference, I have been responding to the annual "please validate
>>> your POC information" email from ARIN.
>>> Am I currently prohibited from making changes, or has maintaining the POC
>>> information been sufficient to retain my right to update our records?
>>> John -
>>>  It’s a perfectly reasonable question (as there is quite a bit of
>>> misinformation out there…)
>>>  At ARIN’s formation, the Board of Trustees decided that ARIN would
>>> provide registration
>>>  services for these legacy number resources without requiring legacy
>>> resource holders
>>>  to enter into a registration services agreement or pay any fees.
>>>  All legacy number resource holders are provided these traditional
>>> registry services
>>>  (including the ability to update their information in the ARIN registry)
>>> but also have
>>>  the option to enter into an agreement and pay standard fees if they wish
>>> additional
>>>  services or to formalize their contractual relationship with ARIN.
>>>  Please refer to <https://www.arin.net/resources/legacy/services.html>
>>> for details.
>>> Thanks!
>>> /John
>>> John Curran
>>> President and CEO
>>> ARIN
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