[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-2: Removal of Community Networks

Jose R. de la Cruz III jrdelacruz at acm.org
Wed Jun 14 10:17:25 EDT 2017


Jason:

If changing, updating, or "fixing" the definition will make an impact on
community networks, then it should be done. I still do not see much of an
impact even if the change is performed. Most have commented that money is
the main reason for their "troubles", so the change will not affect their
fees.

José

José R. de la Cruz
jrdelacruz at acm.org

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com>
wrote:

> Marita,
>
> I take to message to mean having ARIN policy for community networks
> is helpful, and the policy is not used by community networks, because
> the 100% volunteer requirement disqualifies many who would benefit
> which is why the policy has gone unused.
>
> The next step is coming up with a definition that will support community
> networks, but not allow other organizations to abuse the definition as a
> loophole.
>
> The conversation needs to shift to how do we define "community networks"
> in a useful way.
>
> Propose a definition for community networks.
>
> Can you borrow from other definitions of community networks
> that you come across in your sphere, such as  say the tax codes,
> or access to some other privilege that community networks may
> be granted?
>
> I suspect the ARIN community would be happy dropping the volunteer
> requirement if there was some other way to separate out things
> that are community networks.
>
> __Jason
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 9:57 PM, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello all. As part of NARALO, I attended the ARIN mtg in New Orleans and
>> became aware of the policy re: community networks. I don't have all the
>> details others can contribute. But I have been involved on the policy side
>> with community networks in Canada for 20 years, so can provide a small
>> slice of context from here.
>>
>> I totally agree that community networks see a lot of value in being
>> recognized in ARIN policy. The few are doing well, others struggle to
>> exist.  But they have been and in some areas are still an important part of
>> the Internet access landscape. It is difficult, as it is, to even locate
>> these scattered entities. Deleting language the recognizes their existence
>> would be a shame.
>>
>> The 100% volunteer driven requirement is not realistic. I don't know what
>> it should be. Even 70% volunteer driven might not bring in much more
>> activity in the short term but it would be a recognition that the
>> non-profit/cooperative model is a viable option for communities trying to
>> manage their own access issues.
>>
>> Marita Moll
>>
>> Telecommunities Canada (loose coalition of community networks in Canada)
>>
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