[arin-ppml] Discussion on elimination of SWIP requirements.

hostmaster at uneedus.com hostmaster at uneedus.com
Mon Jun 12 12:15:42 EDT 2017

Well, when I say nothing is done, I mean the abuse continues after the 
report is made to the contact listed in SWIP/WHOIS.

If you were the administrator and you did what you said after a report, I 
would see the abuse stopped (in this case simply beacuse you cut that user 
off), I would consider that a success, not a failure.  When I send a 
report, stopping the abuse is more important than an email response.

I average about 50/50 on abuse reports to other networks that are doing 
things like dictionary attacks on my server.  Usually I simply blacklist 
the IP involved, but I can still see the connection attempts continue.  At 
that point is when I send a report.  If a reasonable time goes by and I 
still have not seen the connection attempts stop, I see this as ignoring 
abuse reports, and this is what I speak of.

I do not require a response to know if the report was dealt with.  I 
consider the stopping of the bad behavior to be the indicator.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

> On 6/3/2017 4:27 PM, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>> If enforcement of SWIP would result in the elimination of network abuse,
>> I would not speak against it. However, even with valid contacts in SWIP,
>> abuse reports are ignored.
> You have NO proof of that.
> If you contacted me at one of my abuse contacts and I investigated and 
> discovered a bad user and gave them the boot, I wouldn't contact you back. 
> The reason?  I don't have any assurance that you aren't the bad user I'm 
> booting (or a proxy of theirs) trying to get information on how
> I police my servers.
> Ted
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