[arin-ppml] Discussion on elimination of SWIP requirements.

Michael Peddemors michael at linuxmagic.com
Sat Jun 3 16:25:12 EDT 2017


Ps.. for instance..

NetRange:       23.110.0.0 - 23.110.255.255
CIDR:           23.110.0.0/16
NetName:        NETBLK-NOBIS-TECHNOLOGY-GROUP-18

Found a referral to rwhois.nobistech.net:4321.

getaddrinfo(rwhois.nobistech.net): Name or service not known

Found a referral to rwhois.nobistech.net:4321.

%rwhois V-1.0,V-1.5:00090h:00 rwhois.nobistech.net (Ubersmith RWhois 
Server V-2.3.0)
%error 1 Address not found

So, we have no idea whether a portion of that network was delegated to a 
3rd party or not..

# If you see inaccuracies in the results, please report at
# https://www.arin.net/public/whoisinaccuracy/index.xhtml

(BTW, hard to tell if the POC to use is LeaseWeb or Nobis)

There are two different abuse contacts on a whois search on the ARIN 
website..

So, who is responsible for this??

1.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail2.trysts.vip.
2.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail3.trysts.vip.
3.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail4.trysts.vip.
4.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail5.trysts.vip.
5.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail6.trysts.vip.
6.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail7.trysts.vip.
7.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail8.trysts.vip.
8.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail9.trysts.vip.
9.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail10.trysts.vip.
10.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail11.trysts.vip.
11.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail12.trysts.vip.
12.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail13.trysts.vip.
13.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail14.trysts.vip.
14.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail15.trysts.vip.
15.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail16.trysts.vip.
16.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail17.trysts.vip.
17.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail18.trysts.vip.
18.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail19.trysts.vip.
19.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail20.trysts.vip.
20.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail21.trysts.vip.
21.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail22.trysts.vip.
22.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail23.trysts.vip.
23.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail24.trysts.vip.
24.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail25.trysts.vip.
25.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail26.trysts.vip.
26.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail27.trysts.vip.
27.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail28.trysts.vip.
28.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail29.trysts.vip.
29.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail30.trysts.vip.
30.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail31.trysts.vip.
31.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail32.trysts.vip.
32.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail33.trysts.vip.
33.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail34.trysts.vip.
34.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail35.trysts.vip.
35.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail36.trysts.vip.
36.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail37.trysts.vip.
37.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail38.trysts.vip.
38.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail39.trysts.vip.
39.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail40.trysts.vip.
40.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail41.trysts.vip.
41.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail42.trysts.vip.
42.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail43.trysts.vip.
43.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail44.trysts.vip.
44.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail45.trysts.vip.
45.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail46.trysts.vip.
46.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail47.trysts.vip.
47.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail48.trysts.vip.
48.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail49.trysts.vip.
49.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail50.trysts.vip.
50.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail51.trysts.vip.
51.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail1.chinasite.vip.
52.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail2.chinasite.vip.
53.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail3.chinasite.vip.
54.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail4.chinasite.vip.
55.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail5.chinasite.vip.
56.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail6.chinasite.vip.
57.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail7.chinasite.vip.
58.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail8.chinasite.vip.
59.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail9.chinasite.vip.
60.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail10.chinasite.vip.
61.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail11.chinasite.vip.
62.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail12.chinasite.vip.
63.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail13.chinasite.vip.
64.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail14.chinasite.vip.
65.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail15.chinasite.vip.
66.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail16.chinasite.vip.
67.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail17.chinasite.vip.
68.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail18.chinasite.vip.
69.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail19.chinasite.vip.
70.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail20.chinasite.vip.
71.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail21.chinasite.vip.
72.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail22.chinasite.vip.
73.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail23.chinasite.vip.
74.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail24.chinasite.vip.
75.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail25.chinasite.vip.
76.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail26.chinasite.vip.
77.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail27.chinasite.vip.
78.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail28.chinasite.vip.
79.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail29.chinasite.vip.
80.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail30.chinasite.vip.
81.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail31.chinasite.vip.
82.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail32.chinasite.vip.
83.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail33.chinasite.vip.
84.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail34.chinasite.vip.
85.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail35.chinasite.vip.
86.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail36.chinasite.vip.
87.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail37.chinasite.vip.
88.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail38.chinasite.vip.
89.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail39.chinasite.vip.
90.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail40.chinasite.vip.
91.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail41.chinasite.vip.
92.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail42.chinasite.vip.
93.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail43.chinasite.vip.
94.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail44.chinasite.vip.
95.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail45.chinasite.vip.
96.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail46.chinasite.vip.
97.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail47.chinasite.vip.
98.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail48.chinasite.vip.
99.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail49.chinasite.vip.
100.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail50.chinasite.vip.
101.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail51.chinasite.vip.
102.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail1.beauts.vip.
103.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail2.beauts.vip.
104.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail3.beauts.vip.
105.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail4.beauts.vip.
106.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail5.beauts.vip.
107.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail6.beauts.vip.
108.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail7.beauts.vip.
109.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail8.beauts.vip.
110.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail9.beauts.vip.
111.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail10.beauts.vip.
112.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail11.beauts.vip.
113.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail12.beauts.vip.
114.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail13.beauts.vip.
115.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail14.beauts.vip.
116.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail15.beauts.vip.
117.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail16.beauts.vip.
118.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail17.beauts.vip.
119.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail18.beauts.vip.
120.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail19.beauts.vip.
121.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail20.beauts.vip.
122.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail21.beauts.vip.
123.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail22.beauts.vip.
124.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail23.beauts.vip.
125.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail24.beauts.vip.
126.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail25.beauts.vip.
127.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail26.beauts.vip.
128.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail27.beauts.vip.
129.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail28.beauts.vip.
130.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail29.beauts.vip.
131.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail30.beauts.vip.
132.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail31.beauts.vip.
133.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail32.beauts.vip.
134.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail33.beauts.vip.
135.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail34.beauts.vip.
136.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail35.beauts.vip.
137.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail36.beauts.vip.
138.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail37.beauts.vip.
139.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail38.beauts.vip.
140.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail39.beauts.vip.
141.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail40.beauts.vip.
142.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail41.beauts.vip.
143.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail42.beauts.vip.
144.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail43.beauts.vip.
145.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail44.beauts.vip.
146.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail45.beauts.vip.
147.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail46.beauts.vip.
148.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail47.beauts.vip.
149.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail48.beauts.vip.
150.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail49.beauts.vip.
151.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail50.beauts.vip.
152.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail51.beauts.vip.
153.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail1.vrhall.vip.
154.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail2.vrhall.vip.
155.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail3.vrhall.vip.
156.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail4.vrhall.vip.
157.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail5.vrhall.vip.
158.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail6.vrhall.vip.
159.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail7.vrhall.vip.
160.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail8.vrhall.vip.
161.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail9.vrhall.vip.
162.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail10.vrhall.vip.
163.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail11.vrhall.vip.
164.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail12.vrhall.vip.
165.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail13.vrhall.vip.
166.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail14.vrhall.vip.
167.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail15.vrhall.vip.
168.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail16.vrhall.vip.
169.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail17.vrhall.vip.
170.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail18.vrhall.vip.
171.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail19.vrhall.vip.
172.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail20.vrhall.vip.
173.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail21.vrhall.vip.
174.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail22.vrhall.vip.
175.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail23.vrhall.vip.
176.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail24.vrhall.vip.
177.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail25.vrhall.vip.
178.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail26.vrhall.vip.
179.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail27.vrhall.vip.
180.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail28.vrhall.vip.
181.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail29.vrhall.vip.
182.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail30.vrhall.vip.
183.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail31.vrhall.vip.
184.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail32.vrhall.vip.
185.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail33.vrhall.vip.
186.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail34.vrhall.vip.
187.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail35.vrhall.vip.
188.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail36.vrhall.vip.
189.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail37.vrhall.vip.
190.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail38.vrhall.vip.
191.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail39.vrhall.vip.
192.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail40.vrhall.vip.
193.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail41.vrhall.vip.
194.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail42.vrhall.vip.
195.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail43.vrhall.vip.
196.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail44.vrhall.vip.
197.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail45.vrhall.vip.
198.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail46.vrhall.vip.
199.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail47.vrhall.vip.
200.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail48.vrhall.vip.
201.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail49.vrhall.vip.
202.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail50.vrhall.vip.
203.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail51.vrhall.vip.
204.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail1.yumibi.vip.
205.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail2.yumibi.vip.
206.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail3.yumibi.vip.
207.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail4.yumibi.vip.
208.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail5.yumibi.vip.
209.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail6.yumibi.vip.
210.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail7.yumibi.vip.
211.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail8.yumibi.vip.
212.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail9.yumibi.vip.
213.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail10.yumibi.vip.
214.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail11.yumibi.vip.
215.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail12.yumibi.vip.
216.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail13.yumibi.vip.
217.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail14.yumibi.vip.
218.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail15.yumibi.vip.
219.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail16.yumibi.vip.
220.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail17.yumibi.vip.
221.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail18.yumibi.vip.
222.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail19.yumibi.vip.
223.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail20.yumibi.vip.
224.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail21.yumibi.vip.
225.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail22.yumibi.vip.
226.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail23.yumibi.vip.
227.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail24.yumibi.vip.
228.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail25.yumibi.vip.
229.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail26.yumibi.vip.
230.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail27.yumibi.vip.
231.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail28.yumibi.vip.
232.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail29.yumibi.vip.
233.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail30.yumibi.vip.
234.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail31.yumibi.vip.
235.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail32.yumibi.vip.
236.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail33.yumibi.vip.
237.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail34.yumibi.vip.
238.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail35.yumibi.vip.
239.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail36.yumibi.vip.
240.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail37.yumibi.vip.
241.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail38.yumibi.vip.
242.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail39.yumibi.vip.
243.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail40.yumibi.vip.
244.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail41.yumibi.vip.
245.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail42.yumibi.vip.
246.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail43.yumibi.vip.
247.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail44.yumibi.vip.
248.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail45.yumibi.vip.
249.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail46.yumibi.vip.
250.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail47.yumibi.vip.
251.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail48.yumibi.vip.
252.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail49.yumibi.vip.
253.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail50.yumibi.vip.
254.131.110.23.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer mail51.yumibi.vip.



On 17-06-03 01:14 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote:
> Sorry, I guess for a list like this, simply saying 'Horrible Idea' is
> not to helpful to the readers, but I for one assumed everyone would 'get
> it' that 'rwhois' and 'SWIP' and crucial to many involved in the
> Internet, especially when it comes to security.
>
> And of course, ARIN has had a problem for years with poor or invalid POC
> entries in records, but they would be in a lot worse shape if it wasn't
> part of the ARIN guidelines.
>
> ANY entity which gets IP space from ARIN or any RIR should have clear
> and correct and up to date records, and if they choose to 'allocate' (or
> rent, or lease, or lend) to another party, the records should clearly
> indicate who they would abrogate responsibility to for the duration of
> that agreement.
>
> Getting IP addresses is a privilege, and a clear record of the
> responsible party holding those privileges is mandated, and should
> always be mandated.
>
> And for anyone who doesn't like the SWIP mechanism, they can easily SWIP
> the whole range to indicate their own 'rwhois' server, which many do,
> (even though many records are inaccurate) and they can then handle the
> requirement for clear concise records themselves via their own 'rwhois'
> server.
>
> SWIP is NOT used solely by ARIN for justifications, however it can be
> used by a responsible party to help provide supplementary information on
> which such justifications can be made.
>
> It is more important for many other things, including who to contact
> when something goes wrong with a part of the internet.. and given the
> large increase in nefarious actors on the internet, it is important to
> have accurate information on the responsible party for that part of the
> internet.
>
> I for one want to see ARIN do more, and be given a mandate to enforce
> the given requirements already in place.
>
> On 17-06-02 12:34 PM, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>> I for one do not see why a suggestion is HORRIBLE.
>>
>> Of course, SWIP, like any other issue is not black and white.  There is
>> a big difference between the current policy of requiring the
>> registration of /29 or more of v4 and /64 or more of v6, and a different
>> suggestion to ban SWIP servers.
>>
>> I see the proposal as more of changing the requirements of operators,
>> such that if an operator wants to continue SWIP for its assignments, it
>> would be free to do so, but other operators who may see this process as
>> duplicate and a waste of time might elect to not do so.  Others might
>> elect to continue to maintain SWIP for DMCA or other reasons to reduce
>> ISP workload, or that operators belief in transparency.
>>
>> I would not support a proposal that would ban SWIP. Operators should be
>> free to continue to do so, as long as it is disclosed to their
>> customers. Looking at the future of no more IPv4 except the transfer
>> market, the fact that this process will also run out at some point, and
>> that IPv6 will be the protocol of the future, a serious look at the real
>> need for SWIP is needed.
>>
>> Generally SWIP is used by ARIN to justify qualifications for IP space.
>> For the community, SWIP is used to find out contacts for dealing with
>> network connectivity issues, security and spam.  Only the first purpose
>> is part of the ARIN policies.  Only the second part is used by operators.
>>
>> Because a /32 of v6 space is so large, almost all operators who have
>> obtained their block of space is never going to be going back for more.
>> Thus, I suggest a compromise might be to stop requiring SWIP for v6,
>> except in the case of those operators who need completed SWIP records to
>> justify expanding their v6 allocation.
>>
>> By elimination of the SWIP requirement for v6 assignments for operators
>> not intending to expand beyond their initial block, this would kinda
>> give us a test bed to find out if lack of SWIP causes any real issues.
>> Personally, I doubt this will make any real difference, as there is many
>> operators who currently ignore SWIP for both protocols.  After such a
>> test, the next step would eliminate the v4 SWIP requirement, or the
>> community might let it die as v6 becomes the primary protocol.
>>
>> Remember, those who have actual allocations with ARIN will continue to
>> be recorded in the normal whois, and those contacts can still be used
>> for contact with operators who have elected not to populate SWIP with
>> data.
>>
>> I tend to think, just like the discussion over POC indirect contact
>> data, that ARIN needs to use all its time on the resources that it has
>> directly assigned, and not waste staff time on SWIP, or indirect
>> contacts, which are really 2 ways of talking about the same group of
>> people, those that have received assignments from their ISP of address
>> space.
>>
>> Keeping the Whois clean is hard enough with those with direct resources,
>> why not limit ARIN staff time to the Direct resources.
>>
>> Further, if SWIP is to continue, ISP's should not be able to add
>> contacts such as email and phone numbers without the express permission
>> of their customers as to what email and phone number to use.  One of the
>> persons commenting at New Orleans was against removing the indirect POC
>> annual notice, because it was the only way he was discovering the many
>> POC records created for his organization without his direct knowledge.
>> Instead of getting his permission, and telling the ISP what handle to
>> use for the contact, each of his upstream ISP's around the world have
>> been instead creating a new handle for this organization, leaving him to
>> clean up the mess.
>>
>> He should have instead been complaining as to why ARIN allows each of
>> these ISP's to add a contact handle without the permission of the person
>> added.  Even the PPML requires verification the person wanted to be
>> added before the PPML emails are received. Why should the creation of a
>> POC handle in whois or SWIP be any different?
>>
>> By putting a process in place that requires advance consent before the
>> POC goes into the database, at least the customer can control their
>> destiny. Many Orgs use a specific Role handle for these types of emails,
>> and in many cases email addresses that were never intended to be widely
>> use end up in the database without the customer knowledge.
>>
>> Back to specifics, what "HORRIBLE" things are likely to happen if SWIP
>> were to go away?  Lets talk.
>>
>> Albert Erdmann
>> Network Administrator
>> Paradise On Line Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 2 Jun 2017, Michael Peddemors wrote:
>>
>>> On 17-06-01 11:01 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>>> I agree. Its easy to conclude that SWIP may possibly have outlived it's
>>>> usefulness and value to ARIN or it's members. Maybe the better policy
>>>> modification is to get rid of SWIP entirely and relieve operators of an
>>>> unnecessary burden?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>
>>> HORRIBLE idea...
>>>
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