[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

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Mon Jul 17 17:53:21 EDT 2017

Just a couple of questions regarding the carrots and the sticks for the 
ARIN staff:

Other than those who came back to change their initial /35 to a /32, how 
many ARIN customers have come back for another allocation of IPv6 space 
because they used the first one to the extent the rules require, which I 
think is 75% of /48 block assignments.

And, how many customers have received a first allocation of IPv6?

Divide, and I can find out what percentage came back for more.

What I would like to know is my gut feeling correct, which is that after 
receiving an allocation of IPv6, nearly nobody ever returns to the well 
for more, or at least not like it was back in the IPv4 days when ARIN had 
IPv4 address space to allocate, and thus there are no sticks?

Another bit of info I would like to know if possible:  what percentage of 
customers with a v6 allocation has actually put any of their assignments 
into SWIP?  Since the current policy for SWIP in IPv6 is /64 or more, 
every allocation should be there.

The answers are useful to determine as far as the documenting the 
assignment for ARIN, how useful SWIP is for that purpose.

I have a /48 from 2 upstreams.  Only one is registered.  The other ISP 
does not appear to have ANY SWIP entries, even though I have set up the 
network with static v6 for at least a dozen customers, each of which 
received a /48.

Another "proxy" for to consider in deciding to SWIP or not might be the 
delegation of the reverse DNS for the allocated block. If there is a 
delegation, this is another way to find the technical contact other than 
SWIP if there is a problem.

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2017, David Farmer wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 2:11 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:
>> Can you define voluntary?
>>> Is the voluntary choice to record a reassignment
>>> up to the USP?
>>> Or does the choice belong to the end-user?
>> I think that's a business decision the two parties make together. I think
>> an ISP can choose to SWIP whatever it wants, and should do so with the
>> consent of the end-user. I think an end-user should be able to demand a
>> SWIP entry, and the ISP should generally comply.
> And if the ISP doesn't comply with the user's demand, can one of their
> recourses be to appeal to ARIN?  Obviously, in a healthy market another,
> and maybe more effective, option is to get another ISP.  However, not all
> markets are healthy and too frequently users have only one realistic option
> for an ISP, especially in rural areas.
> I think it is important that if a user requests a SWIP from an ISP, and
> they not given the SWIP, this should be at very least a technical violation
> of ARIN policy.  Is ARIN going to revoke an ISP's address space because of
> a single complaint from a user in this regard, of course not, but I would
> expect ARIN to intercede with an ISP on behalf of the user.  However, if
> there are repeated issues, especially large numbers of them, and if there
> are other policy violations too, then I would expect harsher actions by
> ARIN eventually.
> Thanks
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