[arin-ppml] 2016-3 Revisited

Jason Schiller jschiller at google.com
Tue Jan 31 11:47:51 EST 2017


Mike,

I am confused by your email.

You say "I argue that the need to pay money for IP space is sufficient pain
to avoid abuse by organizations that don’t actually need IP space."

Does than mean you would support the policy as written without the once
every six month cap limitation?


Sounds like you would also support it with the once every six month cap
limitation, but would prefer the more simpler version without the cap?
 (You will support the cap if that is what is needed to move policy in the
right direction)

Sounds like you would also support it with the demonstration of 50%
utilization of each allocation/assignment, but prefer the more simpler 6
month cap, and very much prefer the even simpler no cap? (You will support
demonstration of utilization of greater than 50% if that is what is needed
to move the policy in the right direction)

You would also support the change if it made no mention of 80% and/or 50%
utilization.


8.5.7 Alternative Additional IPv4 Address Block Criteria
In lieu of 8.5.5 and 8.5.6, organizations may qualify for a specified
transfer of IPv4 address blocks up to the smaller of either a /16 or double
their current IPv4 address holdings once every 6 months.

Is that correct?

__Jason

On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

> Taking the abuse example above of an organization with a /8 that is is 90%
> utilized,
>
> the organization would need to transfer in a /16.
>
> Then the organization would need to put 32,768 of the new IPs into
> service,
>
> or renumber the use of 32,768 of IPs from the older IP space to the new
> space.
>
>
>
> I argue that need to show growth or the renumbering of usage into the new
> IP space
>
> is of sufficient pain to avoid abuse by organizations that don't actually
> need the IP space.
>
>
>
> __Jason
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> Hi Jason,
>
>
>
> I argue that the need to pay money for IP space is sufficient pain to
> avoid abuse by organizations that don’t actually need IP space.  Also any
> /8 owners have deep pockets and could easily utilize the various policy
> workarounds which are available, like leases and options. And anybody
> interested in receiving IP space they don’t need is free to open a RIPE
> account and do just that. Except nobody does.
>
>
>
> I support the policy (the re-write and the inclusion of 2016-3) but bemoan
> the unnecessary complexity required to keep an anachronistic needs test in
> place in the face of clear evidence from RIPE that it is only there to
> assuage unsubstantiated fears of hoarding and speculation.
>
>
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> APNIC is considering ending needs tests now, but retaining the RIPE-type
> language only to ensure ARIN sourced addresses are “needs-tested”, ahem.
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> Regards,
>
> Mike Burns
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