[arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Mon Jan 23 12:06:22 EST 2017

Hi Bill,

There are very few transfers into one-way recipient NIRs, nothing substantial that I can find.
Also this type of setup is the opposite of those free trade agreements, it means American exports and dollars flowing into our region.
I agree the best situation would be for every RIR to allow addresses to flow like packets, across borders.
I hope that will eventually be the case in the world and I will try to make it so.
This is a step towards that.


-----Original Message-----
From: William Herrin [mailto:bill at herrin.us] 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:02 PM
To: Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com>
Cc: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>; ARIN-PPML List <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
> May I point out that despite reciprocity with APNIC, almost no 
> addresses have flowed from APNIC to ARIN?  I think less than a /17 in 
> aggregate since the first interregional transfer in 2012.
> You are correct in your expectation that actual transfers aren't 
> symmetrical, because they respond to market forces.
> As far as this policy opening the door or setting a dangerous 
> precedent, may I point out that this one-way policy has been 
> operational for years regarding certain Asian NIRs, and the precedent has not proved dangerous.

Yeah. Market forces. The APNIC NIR non-reciprocity scam has nothing to do with the imbalance.

> I talked to some LACNIC members who expressed an unusual fear to me, a 
> fear based on the difference in economic realities in the Southern 
> versus the Northern Hemisphere in the Americas. The fear was that 
> poorer LACNIC members would decide to re-engineer their networks to 
> take maximum advantage of CGNAT for the purposes of selling their 
> addresses, and the fear is that these sales will be to the richer 
> regions of the world, resulting in outflow and degraded local 
> Internet.  Thus a potential danger is present in some minds which a unidirectional policy would obviate.

LACNIC need not participate in cross-region transfers. Every free trade agreement between has been to our southern neighbors' benefit.
If they don't want another, why should that be our problem?

Bill Herrin

William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>

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