[arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Thu Jan 19 18:40:39 EST 2017


The fundamental problem is our reciprocity requirement, are we willing to
change that?

I had argued against it originally, because I foresaw this very issue with
AFRINIC.  I don't think it we should require AFRINIC to allow transfers out
of their region to ours, for us to allow transfers out of our region to
theirs.  There were some in our community that were adamant that we had to
have reciprocity.  Since, AFRINIC wasn't anywhere near having a transfer
policy anyway, I didn't press the issue as it was more important to move
forward with out of region transfers than to argue the point at that time.

I'd support a proposal to remove the reciprocity requirement.

Thanks.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:36 PM, David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com> wrote:

>
> Last week, ARIN staff sent to this list a copy of their response to
> AFRINIC on inter-RIR transfer policy compatability.
>
> The AFRINIC community is considering a one-way transfer policy as a
> bootstrap for the few years until they reach IPv4 runout, at which point it
> would aim to become two-way.
>
> I feel like as a member of the internet community, that ARIN (we - us -
> the PPML participants) should be accepting that an RIR in a different
> region has different needs than we do. I think we should allow African
> internet operators to obtain blocks from sellers in the ARIN region, and
> transfer them to AFRINIC to meet their needs.
>
> The AFRINIC inbound transfer policy is very ARIN-like. It's needs-basis,
> and the language looks very similar to 8.2 and 8.3 language we've had at
> ARIN for a very long time.
>
> cf.
>
> http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/polic
> y-proposals/1803-inbound-transfer-policy
>
> That's my opinion.  What's yours?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017, ARIN wrote:
>
> To PPML -
>>
>> As a result of policy discussions in the AFRINIC region, ARIN is
>> providing the following to information:
>>
>> On 30 September 2016 ARIN received a query from AFRINIC requesting an
>> assessment on the compatibility of AFRINIC proposed
>> 1803-inbound-transfer-policy with ARIN policy. On 6 October 2016 ARIN
>> responded with the following assessment:
>>
>> Based on ARIN’s Number Resource Policy Manual, Version 2016.2 – 13 July
>> 2016, and referencing the following text from paragraph 8.4. Inter-RIR
>> Transfers to Specified Recipients, we have determined that the proposed
>> AFRINIC Inbound Transfer Policy is not reciprocal.
>>
>> “Inter-regional transfers may take place only via RIRs who agree to the
>> transfer and share reciprocal, compatible, needs-based policies.”
>>
>> In this case reciprocal meaning that the policy provides both RIRs the
>> same ability to transfer: both in and out. This policy proposal as
>> written could not be implemented by ARIN. Note that ARIN’s Inter-RIR
>> transfer policy is based on other RIR's transfer policy and does not
>> consider any LIR or NIR policies.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John Sweeting
>> Sr. Director, RSD
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
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