[arin-ppml] 2016-3 Revisited - anti-abuse clause

Fri Feb 10 12:31:22 EST 2017

Jason,

In regards to A that would be the presumed assumption of the existing text correct?

I’m not comfortable with B.

In regards to C the intent would be to allow someone who has a /19 to get a /18 and then as an example three months later come back for a /17 once they have shown 80 percent of the /18?

There is another option.

D) you can use this policy once every 3 months

Thanks,

Kevin Blumberg

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Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] 2016-3 Revisited - anti-abuse clause

We have a few options on the table and only a few voices in the discussion...

I'd like to quickly outline the options, and see if we can get more people to weigh in and either note they object to one or more options, are ambivalent to one or more options, or support one or more options (with some preference).

1. demonstrate 80% utilization on average for all your IP space
2. get pre-authorization for 1 or more transfers up to double your current holdings over then two years
2.1. this is limited to a /16

A. you can use this policy once every 6 months

B. If you need to use this policy more than once every 6 months you need to also demonstrate growth equalling half what you have transferred since you last used this policy.

C. you can use this policy to transfer a total of up to a /16

Where do you stand on A, B or C?

__Jason

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 7:01 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com<mailto:scottleibrand at gmail.com>> wrote:
That would be a significant improvement on the current ("An organization may only qualify under 8.5.7 once every 6 months.") text.  I would be equally fine with this text ("No more than a total of a /16 equivalent may be transferred under these provisions within any 6 month period." or similar) or with Jason's ("An organization may only qualify under 8.5.7 once every 6 months, unless they can also demonstrate growth of IPv4 utilization of at least half of the amount of specified transfers since the previous transfer pre-authorization or approval.")

Thanks,
Scott

On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
Simple to resolve for the 6-month horizon —

… Such that no more than a total of a /16 equivalent may be transferred under these provisions within any 6 month period. …

Owen

> On Feb 3, 2017, at 07:19 , David R Huberman <daveid at panix.com<mailto:daveid at panix.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I thought of a possible problem with the anti-abuse language -- all versions of it.  Let me talk it out.
>
> An organization has a /19.
> It has growing products, and wants another /19 for its 1 or 2 year need.
> It wants to avail itself of the new language.
> It is able to buy a /20 from Buyer A, and a /20 from Buyer B.
>
> It closes the deal with Buyer A first, and transfers at ARIN using the proposed language.
>
> How does it use any version we've discussed (Jason's various proposals, the current text, etc) to transfer the space it buys from Buyer B?
>
>
> (In all discussion, yes, you can always use the other sections of 8.5, but let's stick to the spirit of this policy language, which is meant to help smaller and mid-size networks double their holdings without needs testing.)
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