[arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Wed Aug 16 14:50:24 EDT 2017

I'm in favor of this draft and +1 Albert's suggested language for wording

​ E Jones

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 7:10 AM, <hostmaster at uneedus.com> wrote:

> I am in favor of the draft, with or without the changes to make it clearer.
> I suggest the following language for clarity:
> 3) Add new section "Downstream Registration Requests" to the NRPM
> that reads "If the downstream recipient of a static assignment of /64 or
> more addresses requests publishing of that static assignment in ARIN's
> registration database, the ISP must register that static assignment."
> Since "static assignment" is the term in this section, not netblock, I
> suggest using this term instead of "netblock".  "Of any size" is not
> needed, as the language would require the ISP to register in total whatever
> size the ISP has assigned to the downstream in the ARIN database if
> requested by the downstream recipient, as long as it was /64 or more.
> This language would also prevent requests to register only part of an
> assignment. I think this language works in making the intent of the new
> section more clear.
> Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.
> On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, John Santos wrote:
> I think that the "/64 or more addresses" and the "regardless of size" are
>> meant to convey that any netblock between a /64 and a /48 can and should be
>> registered if the recipient requests it, even if the block is smaller than
>> the /47 which would make it mandatory.  Perhaps there is better wording
>> that would make this clearer.
>> Three ranges:
>> 1. smaller than /64:  shouldn't be issued, can't be registered.
>> 2. /64 through /48: register at recipient's request
>> 3. /47 or larger: must be registered
>> I agree on dynamic assignments
>> Otherwise, I think this is a much clearer and better update to the
>> proposed policy, and can't find any other reason not to support it.  (I.E.
>> this is a tentative vote FOR, if there is such a thing.)
>> On 8/15/2017 3:59 PM, David Farmer wrote:
>>> I support what I think is the intent, but I have language/editorial nits;
>>> 1. In 3) below; Which is it "a /64 or more addresses" or "regardless of
>>> size" that requires registration?  I think logically we need one or the
>>> other, or some qualification on "regardless of size" statement.  I think it
>>> is a good idea to not require registration of less than a /64.  But the
>>> current language seems contradictory, and therefore confusing, my
>>> recommendation is delete "regardless of size", from the sentence and
>>> leaving "a /64 or more addresses".  I pretty sure we don't want people
>>> having an expectation that they can request the registration of "their"
>>> /128 address.
>>> 2. Also in 3) below; It would seem to require even dynamic assignments
>>> be registered if requested, I don't think that is our intent either,
>>> section starts with "Each static IPv6 assignment containing", this
>>> needs a similar qualification.
>>> Also, I'm fine with the deltas in the policy statement but it would be
>>> helpful to see the final resulting policy block, maybe in a separate email
>>> so we can all see how the result reads.
>>> Thanks, I think we are getting close, maybe one or two more turns of the
>>> crank.
>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:06 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net <mailto:
>>> info at arin.net>> wrote:
>>>     The following has been revised:
>>>     * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment
>>>     Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6
>>>     Revised text is below and can be found at:
>>>     https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_5.html
>>>     <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_5.html>
>>>     You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC
>>>     will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of
>>>     this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number
>>>     resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP).
>>>     Specifically, these principles are:
>>>     * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>>>     * Technically Sound
>>>     * Supported by the Community
>>>     The PDP can be found at:
>>>     https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>>     <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>
>>>     Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>>>     https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>>>     <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Sean Hopkins
>>>     Policy Analyst
>>>     American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>     Problem Statement:
>>>     Current ARIN policy has different WHOIS directory registration
>>>     requirements for IPv4 vs IPv6 address assignments. IPv4
>>>     registration is triggered for an assignment of any address block
>>>     equal to or greater than a /29 (i.e., eight IPv4 addresses). In
>>>     the case of IPv6, registration occurs for an assignment of any
>>>     block equal to or greater than a /64, which constitutes one entire
>>>     IPv6 subnet and is the minimum block size for an allocation.
>>> Accordingly, there is a significant disparity between IPv4 and
>>>     IPv6 WHOIS registration thresholds in the case of assignments,
>>>     resulting in more work in the case of IPv6 than is the case for
>>>     IPv4. There is no technical or policy rationale for the disparity,
>>>     which could serve as a deterrent to more rapid IPv6 adoption. The
>>>     purpose of this proposal is to eliminate the disparity and
>>>     corresponding adverse consequences.
>>>     Policy statement:
>>>     1) Alter section "Reassignment information" of the NRPM to
>>>     strike "/64 or more addresses" and change to "/47 or more
>>>     addresses, or subdelegation of any size that will be individually
>>>     announced,"
>>>     and
>>>     2) Alter section "Residential Customer Privacy" of the
>>>     NRPM by deleting the phrase "holding /64 and larger blocks"
>>>     and
>>>     3) Add new section "Downstream Registration Requests" to
>>>     the NRPM that reads "If the downstream recipient of a netblock ( a
>>>     /64 or more addresses) requests publishing in ARIN's registration
>>>     database, the ISP must register the netblock, regardless of size."
>>>     Comments:
>>>     a.    Timetable for implementation: Policy should be adopted as
>>>     soon as possible.
>>>     b.    Anything else:
>>>      Author Comments:
>>>     IPv6 should not be more burdensome than the equivalent IPv4
>>>     network size. Currently, assignments of /29 or more of IPv4 space
>>>     (8 addresses) require registration. The greatest majority of ISP
>>>     customers who have assignments of IPv4 space are of a single IPv4
>>>     address which do not trigger any ARIN registration requirement
>>>     when using IPv4. This is NOT true when these same exact customers
>>>     use IPv6, as assignments of /64 or more of IPv6 space require
>>>     registration. Beginning with RFC 3177, it has been standard
>>>     practice to assign a minimum assignment of /64 to every customer
>>>     end user site, and less is never used. This means that ALL IPv6
>>>     assignments, including those customers that only use a single IPv4
>>>     address must be registered with ARIN if they are given the minimum
>>>     assignment of /64 of IPv6 space. This additional effort may
>>>     prevent ISP's from giving IPv6 addresses because of the additional
>>>     expense of registering those addresses with ARIN, which is not
>>>     required for IPv4. The administrative burden of 100% customer
>>>     registration of IPv6 customers is unreasonable, when such is not
>>>     required for those customers receiving only IPv4 connections.
>>> --
>> John Santos
>> Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
>> 781-861-0670 ext 539
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