[arin-ppml] Expanding Scope? :Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the definition of Community Network

Jose R. de la Cruz III jrdelacruz at acm.org
Sun Aug 27 21:45:11 EDT 2017


David:

ISOC proposes that "*Community networks, communications infrastructure
deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs*" (
http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/community-networks).

The problem is *if* ARIN should support this connectivity initiative, and
*how*. The community network's focus should be providing connectivity
rather than achieving a profit. The definition is the problem, as
identifying a "proper" community network will allow to work on a real
solution.

José R. de la Cruz
jrdelacruz at acm.org

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:42 AM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> Ok, then I need to hear from others in the community on the subject
> expanding the scope of the problem statement for this Draft Policy beyond
> the just the Definition of Community Networks at this point;
>
> Should we revise the problem statement beyond it's current scope?
>
> If yes, then what should the revised problem statement include?
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>>
>>
>> I see that the revised text addresses some of the definition issues.
>> Regarding your question I believe that the definition and section 6.5.9 are
>> intrinsically tied together.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the only active part of Community Networks is the state that it
>> will be considered an end-user regarding “all ARIN purposes”. I have an
>> issue if this is used by Organizations to act as a way of opting-out of
>> SWIP requirements. With a substantially expanded definition the number of
>> Organizations that could use the policy is significant.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another interesting problem comes from the new Registration Services Plan
>> (https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html)
>>
>>
>>
>> “Organizations that choose to convert to the Registration Services Plan
>> will be evaluated as an ISP from a policy perspective when requesting
>> future Internet number resources from ARIN. The applicable annual
>> registration services plan will be invoiced annually based on the
>> organization resources in the ARIN registry.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin Blumberg
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Farmer [mailto:farmer at umn.edu]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 3:05 PM
>> *To:* Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca>
>> *Cc:* arin-ppml at arin.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the
>> definition of Community Network
>>
>>
>>
>> Kevin,
>>
>>
>>
>> There was a little confusion, mostly on my part it seems. Cutting to the
>> chase; An older version of the text got sent out with the announcement of
>> this policy. An updated version of text got sent out earlier today, it
>> addresses some but for sure not all of your points.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for several of the broader points you bring up, I'd like to work on
>> updating the definition for Community Networks first, mostly because that
>> is the scope of the problem statement focuses on. Once we develop some
>> consensus around a new definition for Community Networks, then I think we
>> could build on that and look at some of the broader issues you bring up.
>> Would that plan work for you?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do not support the policy as written but do support the overall intent.
>>
>> 1) The definition of a community network has gone from overly specific to
>> overly broad. An example in Canada there are over 160,000 non-profit and
>> not-for-profit organizations.
>> 2) A volunteer group, that is not an organization, wouldn't be able to
>> get space from ARIN as it requires a business registration (ARIN Staff
>> please confirm).
>> 3) Why is there a limit to only post-secondary institutions? Many rural
>> locations have K-12 that would not qualify.
>> 4) In Canada, a charity is a non-profit organization, more generic terms
>> should be used that covers the entire ARIN serving region.
>> 5) The current Community Networks policy conflicts with the intent of
>> 2017-5 Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements. By placing all space into
>> End User assignment, Community Networks operating as a ISP collective for
>> residential subscribers would be unable to reassign static assignments.
>>
>> The current Community Networks policy requires an applicant to qualify
>> under standard end-user requirements (Section 6.5.9.2).  If there is no
>> difference to the qualification criteria, why would an organization go out
>> of the way to qualify as a Community Network?
>>
>> I wrote a policy in 2016 that tried to address some of these issues, it
>> was abandoned at the time ( https://www.arin.net/policy/pr
>> oposals/2016_7.html )
>>
>> Kevin Blumberg
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of ARIN
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:40 PM
>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the definition of
>> Community Network
>>
>> On 17 August 2017 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced
>> "ARIN-prop-243: Amend the Definition of Community Network" to Draft
>> Policy status.
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8 is below and can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html
>>
>> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
>> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft
>> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated
>> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
>>
>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>> * Technically Sound
>> * Supported by the Community
>>
>> The PDP can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
>>
>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sean Hopkins
>> Policy Analyst
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>
>>
>>
>> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network
>>
>> Problem Statement:
>>
>> The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since
>> implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the
>> number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack of
>> feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community networks
>> from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that the
>> definition of “community network” was too narrow, which could be the reason
>> for lack of uptake.
>>
>> Policy statement:
>>
>> CURRENT NRPM TEXT:
>>
>> “2.11. Community Network
>>
>> A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer
>> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit organization
>> or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to
>> the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community
>> network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the
>> community network staff is 100% volunteers.”
>>
>> NEW NRPM TEXT:
>>
>> “2.11 Community Network
>>
>> A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer
>> group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or
>> post-secondary institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost
>> connectivity to residents in their service area. Critical functions may be
>> handled by paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering
>> services available through community networks.”
>>
>> Comments:
>>
>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate
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