[arin-ppml] Pre approvals for transfer-in-kind transactions

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Fri May 6 02:50:35 EDT 2016

Before this goes too far down the road under a misleading subject, I’ll
politely request that people use the above subject as a new thread instead of
continuing to post under 2016-1.



> On May 5, 2016, at 13:09 , Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
> I would go s far as to direct ARIN staff to provide provisional approval.  
> The process would look like this:
> Customer: ARIN, I have a /16.  I am currently using 200 IPs as documented below.  
> I would be willing to sell my /16 and replace it with a /24 if I can be assured that I 
> will be approved to get a /24.
> ARIN: based on your current utilization you are pre-approved to transfer a /24 
> on the condition that no longer hold the /16 and your utilization as reported 
> remains unchanged.  
> The customer could then go off and sell the /16 contingent on buying a /24 
> and transferring it.  Buy the /24, renumber into the /24 and then submit matching 
> transfer requests requesting the transfer of the /16 to the recipient which should 
> be held up until the transfer of a /24 from the source is also approved.  
> (I think of this like the complicated kidney donation surgeries) 
> I don't think we need policy for this, just the AC to advice ARIN on 
> the fact that this behavior is not prohibited under policy, and is what
> the community desires ARIN to do in this situation.
> I do not think ARIN should maintain a pool for this.
> I would support ARIN holding a transfer in escrow, but I think it is unlikely 
> that a party is willing to number out of their space, be down, and then get 
> new space and be back up, so I don't see this being useful.
> ___Jason
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com <mailto:gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> ....
> > I’d be OK with this, but given that there is remaining free pool for these resources, I’m not sure that it isn’t better to have a clear policy that when the resources in these categories are no longer needed, voluntary return to ARIN is expected.
> On Monday, there was discussion (during policy experience report)
> about ARIN not being able to provide "theoretical" pre-qualifications
> in the case where (in the example) you transfer a /16 to someone,
> and would want to get a /24 from somewhere else.  And while most
> steeped in the ARIN process understand that qualifying is an almost
> certainty, that does not take it to the level some seem to need to feel
> entirely comfortable.
> As far as this proposal, I can imagine there to be cases were a transfer
> may only make sense if the receiving org can be assured that they will
> be able to get the IP numbers from a reserved pool which ARIN cannot
> make assurance on in advance.  And while (as before) everyone may be
> (almost) 100% sure that the recipient will qualify, that does not always
> make everyone sufficiently comfortable.
> It would seem to be nice for a 8.3 transfer which happens to include
> reserved pool space not turn into another policy experience report
> bullet for not being able to successfully transfer (worst case?) "CI"
> space if indeed the recipient would otherwise qualify (and potentially
> force a renumber of such resources for no particular policy reason).
> I do agree with Owen that these cases are unlikely.  And regardless
> of whether the (what I think is) better language as proposed by Scott
> is included, I would support the policy moving forward to address
> the problem statement.
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