[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN 2015-2 Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to Specified Recipients)

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Wed Jun 1 15:51:01 EDT 2016

Jason -

David is correct.

Note that we administer the registry per the number resource policy manual,
and that includes generally facilitating requestors towards approval if at all
possible.  The phrase in NRPM 8.2 is simply “reorganization” and this has wide
applicability for organizations who need restructure responsibilities with their
business units.

If the community would like more stringent criteria applied with respect to the
nature of “reorganization", it should specify such via explicit policy changes
which meet the principles of Internet number resource policy provided in
the PDP (i.e. enabling fair and impartial number resource administration,
technically sound, supported by the community)


On Jun 1, 2016, at 2:44 PM, David Huberman <daveid at panix.com<mailto:daveid at panix.com>> wrote:

"The assets using the number resources currently registered to David Corp are now under the control of Jason Corp.  David Corp and Jason Corp are both subs of LizAndHeather Corp, as shown in this document here."

On Jun 1, 2016, at 10:19 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com<mailto:jschiller at google.com>> wrote:


I guess I don't know what is meant by corporate reorganization
as referenced in 8.2.  I assume this means the corporate
structure has changed, for example closing a wholly owned
subsidiary, or moving a subsidiary to a parent higher up in the tree.

I tried to suggest an example where the corporate structure has
not changed.  I no longer need IPs for my orgID X, but could use
them for my OrgID Y and my OrgID Z.  Where X, Y , and Z  have
always been wholly owned subs, and will continue to be so for the
foreseeable future.  Or a completely seperate case where X, Y, and Z
have always been a single legal entity, and will continue to be so for the
foreseeable future.

Does "I have pulled the plug on product P so we don't the need the
IPs but can use them elsewhere" Or "Product Q stopped growing so I no
longer need the unused IP space but can use them elsewhere" qualify as
a corporate re-organization and therefor the transfer permitted under 8.2?


On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:27 AM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
On Jun 1, 2016, at 11:02 AM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com<mailto:jschiller at google.com>> wrote:
I can move any IP equal to or larger than the minimum between ARIN OrgIDs as long as
the entities registered to the OrgID have either the source or recipient entity owning or
controling the other, or both are under common ownership or control?

In cases of a reorganization of responsibilities (as you describe above),
number resources may be transferred between related organizations in
accordance with NRPM 8.2.

Even without a corporate reorganization?

Unknown - please distinguish what you mean by a “corporate reorganization”;
is this distinct from organizations which are undergoing some form of internal
reorganization of functions?


John Curran
President and CEO

Jason Schiller|NetOps|jschiller at google.com<mailto:jschiller at google.com>|571-266-0006

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