[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

[Elvis Daniel Velea]

Hi Richard,

On 25/09/15 06:46, Richard J. Letts wrote:
> b)
> There is no definitive outcome from the policy change, which makes me feel that it's not worth changing -- the problem statement argument is weak at best.
the outcome is that everyone that will need IP addresses will be able to 
get them. Isn't that quite definitive and clear?
>
> It is potentially enabling organizations with more money than need gain more resources, potentially at the expense of non-profit and educational organizations who might not be able to raise cash for additional IPv4 space [or equipment to support a transition to IPv6].
So, you think that in today's market the non-profit/educational 
organizations will have the chance at getting some of the IP space from 
the market? And if the needs-based barrier is removed, they will no 
longer have that chance?
Everyone knows that the IP address is now an asset and is worth a buck. 
Who do you think will say: I'll give it for free to this educational 
organization (because they have proven the need to ARIN) instead of 
giving it for money to this commercial entity (that may or may not have 
a demonstrated need need for it).

I think we need to wake up. Keeping needs-based criteria in the policy 
will only cause SOME transfers to be driven underground and block some 
others.
> Changing policy just to (potentially) improve the accuracy of a database seems not worth the (potential) risk.
The change of the accuracy of the registry is already proven in the RIPE 
region. I would say it's not just potential, it is real and visible.
>
> Richard
regards,
Elvis
>
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> | Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9
> | Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4
> | transfers of IPv4 netblocks
> |
> | On 17 September 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted
> | "ARIN-prop-223 Eliminating needs-based evaluation for Section 8.2, 8.3,
> | and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks" as a Draft Policy.
> |
> | Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9 is below and can be found at:
> | https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_9.html
>
> Greetings,
>
> There has been some stimulating dialog about the merits of 2015-9.  I'd like to ask that in addition to any overall support or lack thereof, you also review the policy language and comment specifically on the changes proposed:
> a) For those of you generally in support of this effort, are there any refinements to the changes made which you think will improve this should these policy changes be implemented?
> b) For those of you generally opposed to this effort, are there any adjustments to the policy changes which, if implemented, would gain your support?
>
> --
> Dani Roisman
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