[arin-ppml] Transition /10

Karl Brumund kbrumund at dyn.com
Tue Oct 20 15:12:00 EDT 2015


Martin,
I'm unsure what the problem is that you're trying to solve. I'm guessing
it's `let anybody new get a /24` so they have a chance for some v4 space.
Or maybe its have ARIN be the same as other regions (though I'd say the
transfer process is a bigger fish for that).
You mentioned 'reasonable and fair'. Could you elaborate a bit, as I think
I'm not caffinated enough to follow.

Thanks!
...karl


On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> That was 2014. It is now near 2016. Then, we were not exhausted. Now, we
> are.
>
> Here's the RIPE policy bits
>
>     https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-649
>
> Here's the ARIN policy:
>
>     https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html (Section 4.10)
>
> A brief summary.
>
> The RIPE policy is liberal in that every LIR (new or old) gets a /22. The
> ARIN policy is restrictive and digs into the same old noise around needs
> and transfer.
>
> We _could_ narrow this to new entrants (which does pose an antitrust
> question).
>
> We _could_ also direct that incoming IANA bits be redirected to new
> entrants as well up to the equivalent of a /8 to be parallel to other
> regions, but I'm not sure we need a limit although.
>
> We _could_ limit the size of the allocation to no longer shorter than a
> /24.
>
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net> wrote:
>
>> The ARIN community previously considered these ideas under 2014-16, but
>> changing the /10 to something other than transition never had sufficient
>> support for the AC to move it forward.
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_16.html
>>
>> .Andrew
>>
>> On Oct 20, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Morizot Timothy S <Timothy.S.Morizot at irs.gov>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the clarifications. In that context, assuming a new entrant is
>> deploying IPv6, wouldn't the current policy allow them to request
>> allocations to support that deployment. It specifically mentions needs like
>> dual-stacked nameservers and various IPv4 life extension solutions. If a
>> new entrant *isn't* deploying IPv6 from the start, do we really want to
>> support them with a free pool allocation? For any needs beyond those
>> described in the policy, there's the transfer market. I don't know that I
>> have particularly strong feelings either way, but if we're going to reserve
>> any general use pool at all rather than simply handing it all out to meet
>> current need, I think it's better to tie it to demonstrated IPv6 deployment.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net
>> <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>] On Behalf Of Spears, Christopher M.
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:21 AM
>> To: Hadenfeldt, Andrew C
>> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Transition /10
>>
>> NRPM 4.10 [1] dedicated /10 for IPv6 "transition"..
>>
>> I tossed a similar idea around with some folks at ARIN36.   Use this /10
>> to allocate a /24 per **new** Org, and steer subsequent transactions to
>> transfers.   That would ensure IPv4 for ~16K **new** entrants in the coming
>> years..
>>
>> [1] https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10
>>
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