[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10: Minimum IPv6 Assignments

Thu Oct 8 01:40:51 EDT 2015

> On Oct 7, 2015, at 10:00 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure I follow the impact of the change here.
> 
> Under current policy if an ISP assigns only /48s to each customer, then I count the number of customer and consider than many /48s as fully utilized.
> 
> Under current policy if an ISP assigns only /56s to each customer, then I count the number of customer and consider than many /56s as fully utilized.
> 
> Under current policy if an ISP assigns a mix of /48s to each large customer, and /56s to each small customer 
> then I count the number of small customer and consider than many /56s as fully utilized and,
> I count the number of large customers time 256 and count that many /56s as fully used.
> (this means unused /56s out of a /48 are counted against you thus discouraging mixed sizes).

You left out the part where you have to justify issuing that many /56s to each of those large customers.

> Under current policy if an ISP assigns only /60s to each customer, then I count the number of customer and consider that number divided by 16 as the number of  /56s as fully utilized.

Well, actually, you just count everything as /60s in this case under current policy.

> Under the proposed policy only the last case changes.  
> 
> Under the proposed policy if an ISP assigns only /60s to each customer, then those customers having a /60 (smaller than a /56) are not counted as utilized by the ISP.

Correct.

Owen

> 
> 
> Is that correct?
> 
> In general I am not opposed to discouraging ISPs from giving out smaller than a /56, unless the customer specifically requests a small block.
> 
> 
> ___Jason
> 
> 
> On Mon, Sep 28, 2015 at 11:35 AM, John Springer <springer at inlandnet.com <mailto:springer at inlandnet.com>> wrote:
> Thanks, Matt
> 
> This is precisely the subject on which I hoped to get community feedback.
> 
> John Springer
> 
> 
> On Sat, 26 Sep 2015, Matthew Petach wrote:
> 
> OPPOSED
> 
> How I subdivide and allocate addresses
> internally and downstream is not a matter
> for the community to vote on; that's between
> me and my customers.
> 
> Matt
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 1:54 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net <mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10
> Minimum IPv6 Assignments
> 
> On 17 September 2015 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-224
> Minimum IPv6 Assignments" as a Draft Policy.
> 
> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10 is below and can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_10.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2015_10.html>
> 
> You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft
> Policy 2015-10 on the Public Policy Mailing List.
> 
> The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance
> of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource
> Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are:
> 
>    * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
>    * Technically Sound
>    * Supported by the Community
> 
> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>
> 
> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Communications and Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
> 
> 
> ## * ##
> 
> 
> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-10
> Minimum IPv6 Assignments
> 
> Date: 23 September 2015
> 
> Problem Statement:
> 
> ISPs may believe that they have an incentive to obtain smaller blocks than
> they really need, and once they receive their allocation may subsequently
> issue blocks smaller than their customers may need in the future. This
> policy seeks to encourage the correct behavior by reiterating the smallest
> reasonable sub-allocation size and by discounting any space which has been
> subdivided more finely from any future utilization analysis.
> 
> Policy statement:
> 
> Modify section 2.15 from "When applied to IPv6 policies, the term "provider
> assignment unit" shall mean the prefix of the smallest block a given ISP
> assigns to end sites (recommended /48)." to "When applied to IPv6 policies,
> the term "provider assignment unit" shall mean the prefix of the smallest
> block a given ISP assigns to end sites. A /48 is recommended as this
> smallest block size. In no case shall a provider assignment unit for the
> purpose of this policy be smaller than /56."
> 
> Modify section 2.16.1 from "A provider assignment unit shall be considered
> fully utilized when it is assigned to an end-site" to "A provider assignment
> unit shall be considered fully utilized when it is assigned in full (or as
> part of a larger aggregate) to a single end-site. If a provider assignment
> unit (which shall be no smaller than /56) is split and assigned to multiple
> end-sites that entire provider assignment unit shall be considered NOT
> utilized."
> 
> Comments:
> Timetable for implementation: IMMEDIATE
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