[arin-ppml] Fraud reporting question

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Wed Jun 24 00:39:59 EDT 2015


+1 Owen's remarks.

There’s another possibility which seems entirely likely to me.

Of 146 fraud reports, 2% cover legitimate fraud. Most fraud likely goes
unreported.

As noted by ARIN staff earlier in this conversation, the vast majority of
fraud reports they receive are out of scope…

General ISP complaints
SPAM complaints
etc.

This is not surprising as probably about 1% of all internet users even know
what an RIR is, let alone how to distinguish between RIR Fraud and other
issues.

--
Brian

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:45 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 19:34 , Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Richard Jimmerson <richardj at arin.net>
> wrote:
>
>>  Hello Adam,
>>
>>  Thank you for submitting these questions about fraud reporting.
>>
>>  We have found the fraud reporting system to be very helpful over the
>> past few years. We receive many different types of fraud reports through
>> this system. Some of them have helped ARIN begin investigations that have
>> resulted in both the recovery of falsely registered resources and the
>> denial of some IPv4 requests that might have otherwise been issued
>> resources.
>>
>
> According to the fraud results page, ~2% (of 146) resulted in further
> investigation.
>
>  That''s a problem. Either. There is no real fraud or, ARIN is powerless
> to deal with it. The last time ARIN updated the "Results" page appears to
> be September 2014 based on the last noted ticket number of
> ARIN-20140929-F1760.
>
>
> There’s another possibility which seems entirely likely to me.
>
> Of 146 fraud reports, 2% cover legitimate fraud. Most fraud likely goes
> unreported.
>
> As noted by ARIN staff earlier in this conversation, the vast majority of
> fraud reports they receive are out of scope…
>
> General ISP complaints
> SPAM complaints
> etc.
>
> This is not surprising as probably about 1% of all internet users even
> know what an RIR is, let alone how to distinguish between RIR Fraud and
> other issues.
>
> Some sort of additional resources like a FAQ on what might or might not be
> out of scope could help to reduce the amount of baseless submissions as
> well as additional questions on the form that if selected nack a report. If
> staff isn't going to keep the page updated why keep it at all?
>
>
> On this we agree… The form letter I suggested should contain a link to
> this FAQ, as should the fraud report filing page.
>
> Owen
>
>
> Best,
>
> -M<
>
>
>
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