[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Jun 23 19:59:33 EDT 2015

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:16 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:55 PM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:36 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
> >> > Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6
> >> > Transfers and Multi-national Networks
> >>
> >
> > Noted.  Can you read over my comments below, and then note why you think
> > it's a bad idea to ignore the geographic location where an organization
> is
> > utilizing its ARIN-registered addresses when evaluating transfer
> requests?
> > I'm hoping to hear the consequentialist argument behind your position,
> > independent of the appeal to authority (of the PDP) that you gave below.
> Hi Scott,
> Sure.
> It grants large, multinational corporations unhindered access to IP
> addresses for worldwide use. Such addresses are denied to smaller
> organizations in the same localities who can't claim an ARIN-region
> presence.

The intention is that organizations without an ARIN-region presence (who
have no particular need to be serviced by ARIN vs. their local RIR) would
obtain addresses from the transfer market, and if those addresses come from
the ARIN region, they would be transferred to the local RIR via an 8.4

Since that avenue is open to organization of all size in the APNIC and RIPE
regions, and the AfriNIC region still has plenty of addresses in their free
pool, that means this concern really only applies to the LACNIC region,
which currently has a policy proposal under discussion to allow inbound
inter-RIR transfers, correct?  In other words, this concern would be
addressed if LACNIC passes their inter-RIR transfer policy, and ARIN
updates our transfer policy to allow non-reciprocal transfers to the LACNIC


> The addresses are also rendered less accessible to
> organizations solely within the ARIN region who can't support a
> purchase with profit from a region where addresses are in higher
> demand. It's a cross-subsidy (one source and consequence of monopoly
> power) for organizations many of whom are already close enough to
> being monopolies as makes no difference.
> Bottom line: it's grossly unfair to all of us who aren't large
> multinational corporations.
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
> --
> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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