[arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2015-2

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Sun Jun 7 13:35:32 EDT 2015


Hi Owen,

I don't mind staff assistance and differentiate staff from AC members, also.

In this case it was a little more than "assistance" out the outset, ("Tell me the words you'd accept")..

As it developed it was clear that Mr. Herrin would provide more than that, which I found acceptable.

Regards,
Mike



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Owen DeLong 
  To: Mike Burns 
  Cc: Jason Schiller ; arin-ppml at arin.net 
  Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2015-2


  I don’t see any problem with ARIN staff assisting an author in crafting language that will yield the desired staff interpretation.


  What do you see as the problem, exactly? (I’ll note that I think your description of what John offered differs from what was actually offered which I believe is more accurately described above).


  Owen


    On Jun 5, 2015, at 12:36 , Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:


    Hi Jason,

    I do object to John Curran writing a policy proposal to be submitted to the community under another person’s name.
    It just seems wrong to me but I could be alone in that thought.

    Regards,
    Mike


    From: Jason Schiller [mailto:jschiller at google.com] 
    Sent: Friday, June 05, 2015 3:30 PM
    To: Mike Burns
    Cc: William Herrin; John Curran; arin-ppml at arin.net
    Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-PPML 2015-2

    Mike, 

    If you object, I'm sure an AC member can be found to craft some text, and get staff and legal assessment.

    FWIW, if you like this restriction, I think the rjletts approach catches it all:

    If target registry does not allow transfers out of their RIR then
    reject transfer to target registry
    If target registry allows transfers out of their RIR to any other registry that does not allow transfers out of their RIR then
    reject transfer to target registry
    else
                    accept the transfer

    WRT this restriction and compatible needs-based policies, you may want to do the same...

    If target registry does not allow transfers out of their RIR then
    reject transfer to target registry
    If target registry allows transfers out of their RIR to any other registry that  either
             1. does not have a compatible needs based policy 
       OR 2. does not allow transfers out of their RIR then
    reject transfer to target registry
    else
                    accept the transfer

    FWIW, its not just NIRs, I believe you could transfer IPs from ARIN to APNIC, and then from APNIC to RIPE.

    __Jason

    On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
      Tell me the words you'd accept as requiring transfer reciprocity and
      compatibility go beyond lip service and I'll advance those words. Else
      suffer the continued wagging of my finger.

      Regards,
      Bill Herrin


      Well, now, I think that's a bit too much participation to ask of ARIN's
      president. I support continued finger-wagging.
      Regards,
      Mike



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