[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Jul 1 19:43:48 EDT 2015


Since this would impact IPv6, ASNs, and IPv4 transfers, I don’t think it’s particularly late.

I agree it’s late for the IPv4 free pool, as that is essentially dead (and hopefully really dead soon), but I think there remains relevance to addressing the policy issues.

Admittedly this is less of an issue for ASNs due to the nature of their usage, but I think it’s still just as relevant for some cases of IPv6.

Owen

> On Jul 1, 2015, at 16:36 , Jon Lewis <jlewis at lewis.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm in favor of 2015-5, but think it's a little late to be even talking about this.  My problem with current policy is ARIN has adopted a highly conservative interpretation of vague policy (basically inventing policy disallowing out of region use when such a thing is not explicitly in any established policy).
> 
> There are ARIN members running global networks who have been using ARIN resources out of region for many years, only to eventually find out "those IPs don't count as 'utilized' depending on exactly how you've allocated and routed them."
> 
> Given how close ARIN is to run-out, I'm not sure how meaningful passage of 2015-5 would be...but I'd still like to see more of a connection between ARIN's number policies and the actual NRPM (not some narrow interpretation of its vagueness).
> 
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2015, Martin  Hannigan wrote:
> 
>> Opposed.
>> 
>> We all have already been here and done that.
>> 
>> The community told the AC and ARIN  to abandon. Not to do over. We already have all of our objections on record including THST we already use resources globally (cdn, content).
>> 
>> Where are we disconnected? Can you elaborate? Will help us to comprehend.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Marty
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2015, at 15:32, Heather Schiller <heather.skanks at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your feedback. It would be useful to the AC and the authors if you could site the specific language that causes your concern, so that we can work to improve it.  We would also welcome suggestions for modifications.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> -- Heather
>>>> On Jun 23, 2015 7:00 PM, "William Herrin" <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:06 PM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>>> Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5
>>>>> Out of region use
>>>> 
>>>> OPPOSED.
>>>> 
>>>> This draft calls for ARIN staff to make highly subjective value
>>>> judgments which will, by their nature, vary from individual to
>>>> individual and probably even from an individual's mood to mood. This
>>>> would make a fair and impartial implementation of such a policy
>>>> impossible.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Bill Herrin
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com  bill at herrin.us
>>>> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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