[arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

[Andrew Dul]

The proposal was drafted based upon the desire expressed by
organizations to add records for IPv4, one could easily assume that IPv6
records might also be desired.  From my perspective, I thought it best
to start with the IPv4 discussion as that was the known expressed
problem by operators.

Andrew

On 7/15/2015 11:22 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> As an aside, why make it only for IPv4 end users? Is there any reason not to do it for v6 as well?
>
> GTG
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Andrew Dul [mailto:andrew.dul at quark.net]
>> Sent: July 14, 2015 3:12 PM
>> To: Gary T. Giesen; 'Andrew Dul'; arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for IPv4
>> End-Users
>>
>> The intention is to allow for end-users to be able to add reassignment
>> records to the database.  As noted in the policy proposal, this idea has an
>> impact of the fee categories, because the ability to add reassignment records
>> traditionally has been one of the differences between ISPs and end-users.
>>
>> I think we need to consider if the categories of IPv4 ISP and end-users have
>> any significance now that the IPv4 free pool has been exhausted.
>>
>> I will let ARIN staff comment on the cost/workload aspects of this change
>> idea.
>>
>> The fees themselves are the purview of the board.  Since this policy changes
>> the service levels that ARIN would provide to end-users one might expect
>> that the fee levels might change for organizations which choose to take
>> advantage of the additional functionality.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 7/14/2015 8:08 AM, Gary T. Giesen wrote:
>>> Andrew,
>>>
>>> Is it your intention to create a single class of users (ie. no more End-User vs
>> ISP), or maintain the distinction? I'd like to see end-users be able to SWIP,
>> but I'd don't want to see their costs increase because of it. Also, ISPs will
>> argue if end-users can SWIP (which is probably the biggest technical
>> distinction between the two right now ) and pay far less, they'll either argue
>> their fees should be lowered, the end users fees should be raised, or try to
>> game the system by applying as end-users.
>>> Do we have any indication from ARIN staff as to what the implications in
>> terms of cost/workload would be if end-users would be allowed to SWIP?
>> Again, if the impact is minimal (ie no raising of end-user fees) and sufficient
>> language was put around who they could SWIP to (ie only organizations in
>> which the parent owns a controlling share, etc) then I would support this.
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> GTG
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
>>>> On Behalf Of Andrew Dul
>>>> Sent: July 13, 2015 11:31 AM
>>>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Policy Proposal Idea: Reassignment records for
>>>> IPv4 End- Users
>>>>
>>>> The AC has been discussing the following ideas on their list and I
>>>> have drafted the following policy proposal as an outcome.  We are
>>>> posting the ideas and proposal here to PPML for community discussion.
>>>> This draft has not been submitted formally to the PDP process at this
>>>> point.  I believed having initial feedback from the community before
>>>> submitting would be a valuable addition before going into the formal
>> process.
>>>> You comments are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ====
>>>>
>>>> Template: ARIN-POLICY-PROPOSAL-TEMPLATE-3.0
>>>>
>>>> 1.    Policy Proposal Name: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users
>>>>
>>>> 4.    Problem Statement:
>>>>
>>>> End-User Organizations do not have the ability to create reassignment
>>>> records in the number resource database.
>>>>
>>>> Reassignment records can be used for a number of different functions
>>>> which could benefit the overall desire to increase database accuracy
>>>> by allowing organizations to add additional details in the database.
>>>>
>>>> The following reasons have been noted as positive reasons to allow
>>>> the creation of additional records.
>>>> -    Geolocation (allows an organization to specify a different location
>>>> within the database which is used by organizations creating
>>>> geo-location by IP address databases)
>>>> -    Subsidiary reassignment (allows an organization to note that a
>>>> portion of their netblock is in use by a different subsidiary entity)
>>>> -    Assignment to contracted parties (some organizations have contracts
>>>> with other organizations which are operating networks under
>>>> agreements with the registrant, this allows the top-level
>>>> organizations to accurately specify the organization operating the
>>>> network in the number resource
>>>> database)
>>>> -    More specific contact information (some organizations operate large
>>>> networks which don’t necessarily have the same technical or abuse
>>>> contact
>>>> information)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 5.    Policy statement:
>>>>
>>>> Create new section 4.3.x
>>>>
>>>> End-user organizations which have an active registration services
>>>> agreement shall be permitted to create reassignment records in the
>>>> number resource database.  Organizations shall use the guidelines
>>>> outlined in section 4.2.3 when creating reassignment records.
>>>>
>>>> 6.    Comments:
>>>>      a.    Timetable for implementation: immediately
>>>>      b.    Anything else:
>>>>
>>>> It is noted by the author of this policy proposal that one of the
>>>> distinctions in the service between ISPs and End-Users has been the
>>>> ability for an organization to create reassignment records.
>>>>
>>>> This policy proposal stretches across responsibilities areas as it
>>>> impacts number policy, ARIN operational practice, and fees.
>>>>
>>>> Below we have noted the three areas and the different responsibilities:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A)    Providing reassignment support for end-user assignments, for those
>>>> who wish to use it
>>>>
>>>> This is an ARIN Service issue - could be an suggestion/consultation
>>>> process, so long as any implied additional workload/cost can be
>>>> accommodated in budget and the community supports
>>>>
>>>> B) New requirement on end-users to provide reassignment information
>>>> in certain circumstances so that ARIN will treat their usage
>>>> assertion credibly
>>>>
>>>> This is a policy issue.  These requirements should be vetted through
>>>> the policy development process.
>>>>
>>>> C)    Fee Implications of ISPs moving to end-user category
>>>>
>>>> This is Board issue, but first requires a community discussion or
>>>> consultation to be held to solicit community input on desired outcome.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ====
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