[arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015

Mueller, Milton L milton at gatech.edu
Sat Dec 26 21:47:25 EST 2015

Like David, I voted against abandonment; it seemed to me the issues raised by the policy were not resolved and that continued discussion would be justified.

Dr. Milton L. Mueller
Professor, School of Public Policy
Georgia Institute of Technology

From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of David Huberman
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2015 2:45 PM
To: arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Advisory Council Meeting Results - December 2015

Following the excellent example that Scott Leibrand has done over the years, I wish to convey my objections over the abandonment of 2015-8, which would allow End-users to SWIP.

Year after year, and issue after issue, John Curran tells us "this is the way we are doing it; if you want us to change, go propose a policy".

That's exactly what happened with 2015-8.

The issue is complex because of the billing issues (most of the justification for the original ISP fee schedule was because of SWIP) and the existence of the dichotomy between ISPs and EUs.

But the proposal is sound, in my opinion.  It introduces a policy requirement to force ARIN to change how it runs its software.  There's no wiggle room when a policy like this is passed.  The community speaks, the staff carries it out.

I acknowledge that there was not tremendous support at the first public meeting for 2015-8, but I think that is insufficient cause to abandon it.  We should discuss it further.

It should not be abdicated to the services WG which is not an elected body.


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On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM -0800, "ARIN" <info at arin.net<mailto:info at arin.net>> wrote:
In accordance with the ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP), the ARIN
Advisory Council (AC) met on 17 December 2015.

Having found the following Draft Policy to be fully developed and
meeting ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource Policy, the AC
recommended it for adoption (to be posted separately for discussion as a
Recommended Draft Policy):

   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-11: Remove transfer language which only
applied pre-exhaustion of IPv4 pool

The AC abandoned the following:

   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-8: Reassignment records for IPv4 End-Users

The AC provided the following statement, "The ARIN AC has voted to
abandon draft proposal ARIN-2015-8. Although a number of participants at
ARIN 36 and on the PPML indicated support for investigation of greater
harmonization of the services provided by ARIN to ISPs and End-Users,
this specific proposal had no substantial community
support. In fact, those who addressed themselves to the specific
proposal, rather than broader issue of fees charged to ISPs vs.
End-users or the types of services that ARIN should provide to each
class of clients, did not support the specific proposal itself. Based on
community feedback, we would suggest the broader issues be considered by
ARIN, as part of a review of services."

The AC is continuing to work on:

   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-2: Modify 8.4 (Inter-RIR Transfers to
Specified Recipients)
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-3: Remove 30 day utilization requirement in
end-user IPv4 policy
   Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2015-5: Out of region use
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-6: Transfers and Multi-national Networks
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-7: Simplified requirements for demonstrated
need for IPv4 transfers
   Draft Policy ARIN-2015-9: Eliminating needs-based evaluation for
Section 8.2, 8.3, and 8.4 transfers of IPv4 netblocks

The AC abandoned 2015-8. Anyone dissatisfied with this decision may
initiate a petition. The deadline to begin a petition will be five
business days after the AC's draft meeting minutes are published. For
more information on starting and participating in petitions, see PDP
Petitions at:

Draft Policy and Proposal texts are available at:

The ARIN Policy Development Process can be found at:


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