[arin-ppml] Proposal ARIN-2015-8

David Huberman David.Huberman at microsoft.com
Sun Dec 6 23:02:30 EST 2015

Thanks, Owen.

Moving to the issue at hand, then, I have a problem with your wording.

You wrote:

"Because as an end-user so long as we have IPv4, I count addresses assigned to hosts, while as an ISP, I count
networks delegated to subscribers."

Then what's Microsoft? What's Akamai? 

Microsoft has "delegated networks" (whatever that means) to VMs for the exclusive use of a subscriber. 
We provide no last-mile connectivity to anyone.  
No one else can use the IP address while the host is provisioned, and it's questionable if the IP address is used exclusively for our infrastructure (it's not - the VM is outside the infrastructure - it's an edge device meant for access by a non-microsoft host)

Does Akamai configure any VIPs where the content is for a subscriber (whatever that means), and not exclusively for use in your infrastructure?

Maybe it's clear cut in Akamai's case. I don't know.  But it's definitely not clear cut in the land of the cloud, or even in more traditional hosting setups (dedicated hosting, VPSes, etc.) where the customer accesses the equipment from their own last-mile network.

So a possible solution is to redefine:

ISP offers last-mile connectivity
Everyone else is an EU.


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