[arin-ppml] Proposal ARIN-2015-8

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Thu Dec 3 15:41:17 EST 2015


On Dec 3, 2015 2:35 PM, "Christian Tacit" <ctacit at tacitlaw.com> wrote:
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> I am writing on behalf of the ARIN AC to seek additional input from the
community regarding how (or if) we should proceed with ARIN-2015-8.
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> The feedback received at ARIN 36 and in subsequent AC discussions has
been very mixed and there is no community consensus for the proposal in its
present form.
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> Some of the main points made at ARIN 36 and the subsequent AC meeting
were:
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> 1.     Orgs should not be able to by-pass the fee structures and other
policy consequences of being classified as ISPs, and the draft policy would
facilitate this type of by-pass;
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> 2.     Some of those who shared the concern in point 1. said that they
would still support allowing Orgs to SWIP to themselves (and possibly to
related Orgs) to facilitate geolocation and this will be even more
important in an IPv6 environment where assigned address blocks are much
bigger and so often not used at one location;
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> 3.     ARIN already allows RWHOIS to be used by End-Users, which leads to
the question of whether this avenue should be foreclosed, End-User SWIPs
should be allowed or the status quo should be left in place;
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> 4.     Should End-Users who want to be able to re-assign records simply
be required to become ISPs?

I am strongly opposed to a requirement for end users to become ISPs solely
for the purpose of re-assigning records. Cost is not the only concern here.

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> 5.     Should the ISP/End-User distinction be eliminated (which is a
bigger discussion outside the scope of the current problem statement)?

Possibly. However if this causes costs to increase for end users, then I
would say no. As a state university keeping ongoing costs to a minimum is
imperative to operation. We don't make money so justifying additional costs
for the same resources is nearly impossible.

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> 6.     If the ISP/End-User fee distinction were eliminated, would there
still be opposition to the draft policy?

This depends on what happens to end user costs, see above.

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> 7.     To what extent is there value or do problems get created if
End-Users can SWIP (i.e., improving the accuracy of database information
vs. possibly facilitating a “grey market” where the true registered users
of numbering resources are not known)? and
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Improving accuracy of database information is a necessary axiom, but it is
arguable as to whether end user access improves or lessens database
accuracy.

> 8.     Does the problem statement need to be reformulated, and if so, how?
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> If you would like to see further work on this policy, please let us at
the AC know what form you think that work should take. If you think the
policy should be abandonded altogether we would like to know that as well.
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> Thank you.
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> Chris
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> Christian S. Tacit,
> Tacit Law
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