[arin-ppml] An interesting policy question

Lu Heng h.lu at anytimechinese.com
Thu Dec 3 09:55:02 EST 2015


Hi:

Thanks for quick reply, and sorry about my English ability.Below is what my
understanding to the reply:

Example 1:

No, there is no need to notify ARIN simply because change of location.(
provided other fact stay the same)

Example 2.

In case of 3 location shrinking to 2 location, there is also no need to
notify ARIN provided the service stay the same.(in-out region does not
relevant here as the number of location is decreased, so even  there is
an out region location was notified ARIN during application process in the
first place)

Correct me if I might be mistaken.

On Thursday, 3 December 2015, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> Lu -
>
> Bill and Jason’s remarks fairly reflect current policy - if you have a
> specific request
> that you need clarification with, please contact the Registration Services
> Helpdesk
> at ARIN.
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> > On Dec 3, 2015, at 9:34 AM, h.lu at anytimechinese.com <javascript:;>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Sorry for the wording ripe, the question was intended for Arin policy,
> so under Arin current policy, does two example raised considered invalid
> the need?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 3 Dec 2015, at 3:26 PM, Jason Schiller <jschiller at google.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >> One clarification on Bill's email.
> >>
> >>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
> >>>
> >>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
> >>>
> >>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
> >>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
> >>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
> >>> more addresses.
> >>
> >> If the IP addresses are used outside of the ARIN service region, but
> >> part of a globally contagious network that exists in part in the ARIN
> >> service region and the covering aggregate is announced from within the
> >> ARIN service region (also announcing the aggregate and / or more
> >> specific outside of the ARIN service region is acceptable), the the
> >> addresses can be considered utilized (assuming they meet ARIN's
> >> definition of in use).
> >>
> >> If the IPs are for servers in a data center that is a stub network
> >> which is not contagious with a network in the ARIN service region then
> >> those IPs would not count as in use.  If you total utilization is
> >> below 80% you would not qualify for more IP space.
> >>
> >> Bill, and my comments are based an multiple interactions with ARIN and
> >> Public Policy Meeting discussions surrounding "out of region use".
> >>
> >> If you truely want to know what if ARIN staff would consider a use
> >> case as justified, you should directly engage the ARIN staff.
> >>
> >> https://www.arin.net/contact_us.html
> >>
> >> __Jason
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:13 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 6:27 AM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>> Company A provides 100 customer dedicated server service at location
> A, Ripe
> >>>> makes an assignment for 100 IP for his infrastructure, if, under
> condition
> >>>> that no other factor was changed, Company A moved his infrastructure
> to
> >>>> location B, but still providing same service to same customer, does
> the
> >>>> company's action need to be notified  to RIR?
> >>>>
> >>>> Company A provides web hosting service, but any casted in 3 location,
> and
> >>>> has provided the evidence of 3 location to the RIR during the time the
> >>>> company getting valid assignment, then A decided to cut 3 location to
> 2
> >>>> location, does this invalid original assignment and need to be
> notified to
> >>>> RIR?
> >>>
> >>> Hi Lu,
> >>>
> >>>> From ARIN's perspective (as I understand it) the answer is:
> >>>
> >>> 1. No, the RIR does not need to be notified, BUT...
> >>>
> >>> 2. If the new locations are no longer in ARIN territory, those
> >>> addresses are counted as unused the next time that organization wants
> >>> addresses from ARIN. As a result, the organization may not qualify for
> >>> more addresses.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Bill Herrin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> William Herrin ................ herrin at dirtside.com <javascript:;>
> bill at herrin.us <javascript:;>
> >>> Owner, Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> _______________________________________________________
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Kind regards.
Lu
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