[arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7

Michael Peddemors michael at linuxmagic.com
Thu Aug 20 19:55:34 EDT 2015

It looks like it is obvious, we need a new proposal that will 
accommodate both sides of this devide, enabling accurate record keeping, 
without language that encourages a positioning 'policy' that stake 
holders are uncomfortable with.

On 15-08-20 04:35 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote:
> On 8/20/2015 4:09 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> This is one of those areas where people of good conscience can disagree.
>> I absolutely feel it is ARINs job as a steward of resources held in
>> trust for the community
>> to exercise due diligence in the issuance of those resources and to
>> revoke them when
>> fraud is detected.
> That'd be a whole lot more than ARIN has ever done. You want them
> spending their time trying to revoke and reclaim IPv4 space from
> spammers (for instance) instead of working on getting IPv6 everywhere?
> And of course the part they have been great at - diligence in the
> issuance of IPv4 resources - is within a hair's breadth of done forever.
>> It may not be ARIN’s job to catch 100% of the liars out there, but it
>> is certainly important
>> that we do not hamstring ARIN in their ability to protect the
>> community from the liars
>> and the fraudsters to the extent possible.
>> I am opposed to the proposal.
> Can you explain exactly how ARIN can keep "liars and fraudsters" from
> paying someone money, using their address block anywhere in the world
> for any purpose whatsoever, etc.?
> All they can do is update, or not update, the registration database per
> policy. This policy proposal makes their job easier and makes the
> database more likely to reflect the ongoing state of the IPv4 transfer
> market.
> Matthew Kaufman
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