[arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Thu Aug 20 19:09:36 EDT 2015

This is one of those areas where people of good conscience can disagree.

I absolutely feel it is ARINs job as a steward of resources held in trust for the community
to exercise due diligence in the issuance of those resources and to revoke them when
fraud is detected.

It may not be ARIN’s job to catch 100% of the liars out there, but it is certainly important
that we do not hamstring ARIN in their ability to protect the community from the liars
and the fraudsters to the extent possible.

I am opposed to the proposal.


> On Aug 20, 2015, at 14:05 , David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
> Hi Bill, <>
> > Still against it because it still applies to out-region transfers where ARIN no
> > longer has access to it and CAN NOT revoke it for fraud when the attestation
> > turns out to be untrue.
> So I get what you're saying.  And you're right.  You and I petition ARIN, attest
> that we forecast to use a /X, we're lying, and we transfer it out of the region and
> ARIN is done with it - ARIN has no control over the block transferred out.
> The disagreement I have with this view is that I don't want us making policy that
> punishes the 99.9% of people who are telling the truth and just want to run their
> network, so that we can somehow "catch" the 0.01% of the scammers.  I prefer
> making policy which works well for bona fide network operators.  People will always
> lie, and I do not believe it’s ARIN’s job to catch that.
> Thanks!
> David
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