[arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility

josh at rowenetworks.com josh at rowenetworks.com
Tue Aug 11 23:02:34 EDT 2015

Thank very much for taking the time to respond and with so much detail. It is very helpful information.

I noticed I had a typo on our current allocation, /22 is what we have not /21. 

Regardless, I understand what you're saying as to engineer it properly so that as ipv6 adoption and services increase I'm not stuck with an inferior design or a broken network. 100% agree. 

Now we're talking about a $1500 increase in annual fees, which is not ideal but provides access to over 65k /48,,, I can see this being a better long term solution compared to ipv4 space being leased from someone else long term.

Now to start evaluating our infrastructure and the new acquisition for ipv6 capabilities and upgrade path, just when I thought I had enough work to do!

Thanks again for your time and advice! 

Best Regards, 
Josh Rowe 

On August 11, 2015 10:35:52 PM EDT, David Huberman <David.Huberman at microsoft.com> wrote:
>Hi Josh,
>If you have a /21 allocation from ARIN, then you are paying them $1,000
>a year in a subscription fee.  That covers your AS number, and your
>/21, and it gives you membership to vote.
>If you want, you can request a /36 of IPv6 from ARIN, and it will come
>at no extra charge.  There will be no registration fee, and your annual
>subscription fee will not change.
>From an engineering perspective, many of us do not recommend that.  We
>recommend getting the full default prefix size – a /32 – and deploying
>that.   Unfortunately, that will cause your annual subscription fee
>with ARIN to double to $2,000.  You still won’t pay a registration fee
>for getting the /32, but when your next annual bill is sent, it will be
>for $2,000 rather than $1,000.
>Please keep in mind that the only realistic way I know of to get more
>IPv4 addresses for your new products and customers is via the IPv4
>transfer market, and that’s going to cost many, many times more than
>ARIN charges.  Many tens of thousands of dollars, probably, depending
>on what you want to get.   You may wish to balance the cost of
>obtaining more IPv4 addresses in the market with what revenue
>opportunities those addresses represent, then factor in how you can (or
>cannot) leverage IPv6 to make those numbers work better for you.  Just
>a suggestion, and sorry if I’m overstepping.
>David R Huberman
>Principal, Global IP Addressing
>Microsoft Corporation
>From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
>Behalf Of josh at rowenetworks.com
>Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 7:29 PM
>To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Automatic IPv6 Eligibility
>Well here's my scenario. My ISP is in the process of acquiring another
>ISP, I wrote into arin for advice of how to go about requesting
>additional ip space as the acquisition will take more IP addresses then
>what we have left out of our current /21 allotment.
>I was advised to apply asap however with the depletion
>procedures/protocols it didn't seem likely to quickly be able to get
>enough blocks from the free pool.
>If an existing service provider such as myself would be able to get a
>free ipv6 allocation I would agree it would help transition to ipv6
>faster as I need more IPs for my customers, infrastructure, etc.
>I'd at least be more willing to try to make it work for my customer ip
>space since there would be little or no cost involved, now the problem
>that remains is the equipment compatibility and third party support of
>Is it possible to still get a block to use for my ISP for $100/yr?
>Best Regards,
>Josh Rowe
>On August 11, 2015 10:11:40 PM EDT, Randy Carpenter
><rcarpen at network1.net<mailto:rcarpen at network1.net>> wrote:
>----- On Aug 11, 2015, at 8:43 PM, Seth Mattinen
>sethm at rollernet.us<mailto:sethm at rollernet.us> wrote:
> On 8/11/15 14:43, Alfie Cleveland wrote:
> Hello,
> I’m requesting comment in regards to automatically make organisations
> eligible for IPv6 if they hold justified IPv4 space. This similar to
> Section 9.3.1. of the [APNIC-127] APNIC Internet Number Resource
> Policies. I feel that if organisations were able to receive a /48 for
> each /24 they hold, then it would help expedite the rollout of IPv6.
> Organisations currently have two choices - continue to use IPv4, or
>spend valuable time on applying for IPv6 space. IPv6 space is clearly
> abundance - and this could potentially help slo
> w the
>exhaustion of IPv4.
>I got my /32 IPv6 allocation in late 2009 and end user /48 in 2007 and
>don't remember having to do much to qualify for them other than ask.
> this changed?
>No. If you have IPv4 space already, it is incredibly easy to get IPv6.
>Getting the default /48 as an end-user is about as automatic as it
>could be, and qualifying for more is not much more effort if you have
>multiple sites.
>The only issue is that for end-users, you now have to pay an additional
>$100 per year for the IPv6 assignment.
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