[arin-ppml] Thoughts on 2015-7

Brian Jones bjones at vt.edu
Fri Aug 21 11:21:23 EDT 2015


On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Scott Leibrand <scottleibrand at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Aug 20, 2015, at 7:17 PM, Brian Jones <bjones at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> Mathew,
> I think we are in agreement on some level. I don't want valuable resources
> to sit idle either. At the same time arbitrarily handing out large blocks
> of resources without any real show of need allows for possible misuse of
> the resources by those who would hang on to them to get a better price or
> for whatever reason they want.
>
>
> The IPv4 free pool is now empty, and there are no more large blocks to
> hand out. Is this still a concern when all blocks must be acquired via
> transfer? If so, can you explain why that's more of a concern under the
> proposed policy than under current policy?
>

​You are correct that there are not more large blocks to hand out, but
depending on the size of an individual organization a /24 could be a large
block, especially if there are idle and unused​ /24's around in say, some
university's unused pool, or maybe a service provider that considers a /24
a very small block and not enough to fool with for transfer or selling.

The only reason any of this is more of a concern now is that the resources
are so scarce. I'm not so sure it is more of a concern in the proposed
policy as the current policy, unless you are one of the small businesses
that a /24 would fulfill your needs for now and the foreseeable future, but
this policy may not be able to help this any. Getting anyone to turn loose
of free blocks of addresses at this point will probably only happen in
partnering agreements or purchase agreements.

​Going forward it is important to have a process that not only accommodates
but also is easy enough that it will encourage transfers to be documented
appropriately. ​

Of course I think everyone should move to IPv6! :)

--
​Brian​



>
> Either way the resources sit idle. I am for a reasonable amount of
> justification for the amount of resources that can be consumed in a
> reasonable time period. Defining reasonable in the last two sentences and
> coming to agreement may be the crux of the matter.
>
> If the organization was mistaken about how many or how fast they would use
> the resources, then the process should be able to easily accommodate
> transfer, selling, or returning them as long as they follow procedures to
> ensure that documentation records of the resources can be appropriately
> updated for the good of the Internet.
>
> In the end there is really not a good way to prevent unused addresses
> sitting idle. It is up to the recipients of justified resources to be good
> stewards and use them appropriately and hopefully transfer, sell, or return
> them if they no longer need them.
>
>
> Totally agreed.
>
> -Scott
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2015 9:15 PM, "Matthew Kaufman" <matthew at matthew.at> wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2015 1:04 PM, Brian Jones wrote:
>>
>>
>> ​I agree with this simplified requirement but would even be willing to
>> accept a 50% within 12 months and 75% in 24 months requirement. Two years
>> is a long time to tie up valuable resources that are not being used. IMHO​
>>
>>
>> I do not understand this reasoning. There is no more free pool. If Org A
>> is not using "valuable resources" and they are transferred to Org B who was
>> mistaken about how fast they will use them, then Org B is also not using
>> "valuable resources". But if instead Org A can't transfer them, then Org B
>> doesn't get them and Org A still has "valuable resources" which are "tied
>> up". They're "tied up" not being used either way... and ARIN can't do
>> anything about it.
>>
>> If you really want to make sure that these resources don't sit unused,
>> make it so that after Org A transfers to Org B then if Org B doesn't use
>> all of them, Org B can sell what they're not using.
>>
>> Matthew Kaufman
>>
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