[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Tue Sep 23 12:37:21 EDT 2014

To give Milton his due he did plainly used the personal  "I" when disclosing that he felt justified in discounting dissenting opinions that do not follow his personal logic flow.  I in no way took that as a statement reflecting the AC as a whole.
I do think it was a very strong defining statement and should be remembered in the future on a number of levels.  


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sweeting, John [mailto:john.sweeting at twcable.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:44 AM
> To: Milton L Mueller; Kevin Kargel; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start
> and Simplified Needs Verification
> Good morning PPML,
> I just want to clarify that when Milton says "I want to make it clear that I will
> not count that as serious or justifiable opposition to a policy proposal in any
> AC deliberations.² he is only speaking for Milton and not for any of the other
> members of the AC. There are currently 14 members on the AC and each
> evaluates input from the community according to how they perceive that
> input, there is no wholesale ³we will not count that opposition² as we value
> each and every member¹s opinion.
> Thanks,
> John Sweeting
> Chair, ARIN Advisory Council
> On 9/23/14, 8:08 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> I do not believe IP as commodity is good for either operators,
> >>industry or the  community.  It will however serve as a wealth
> >>generator for a select few,  which again is not the objective of ARIN.
> >>The good or bad of IP as a  commodity is probably not the discussion
> >>though.  I apologize if I generated  thread drift.
> >
> >IP as a commodity is now a settled issue. We certainly are not debating
> >that. However, your kind of religious opposition to market transfers
> >often leads to expressions of opposition to policies that attempt to
> >make the transfer markets work better for operators. I want to make it
> >clear that I will not count that as serious or justifiable opposition
> >to a policy proposal in any AC deliberations.
> >
> >Your contention that ARIN should not support commodity trades is
> >negated completely by a simple logic:
> >
> >IF there is no more free pool, the only way to get additional v4
> >numbers is through the market. Ergo, ARIN's mission of number
> >allocation requires it to make technically sound and economically
> >efficient rules for market transfers of number blocks. IF ARIN doesn't
> >do that, it isn't doing its job.
> >
> >Further, if ARIN insists on validating need before before allowing
> >number blocks to be transferred, then ARIN is by definition validating
> >and supporting commodity sales. So if you want to be consistent about
> >ARIN avoiding any support for commoditization of numbers, you should
> >advocate that ARIN get out of the business of needs assessment for
> >transfers entirely. Then it would be neither supporting nor involving
> >itself in commodity transfers.
> >
> >--MM
> >
> >
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