[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: TransferPolicySlow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

[Owen DeLong]

I think you misunderstand what was meant by “commodity sales” in this context.

I don’t believe that Kevin or myself oppose transfers or sales of address space in compliance with ARIN policies.

I believe Kevin was referring to making IPv4 a pure commodity product that is traded purely on an economic basis without regard to any policies set forth by this community.

ARIN and this community have not forced that.

Owen

On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:22 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:

> The combination of ARIN and this community have forced commodity sales.  Some orgs just don't meet the various policies but they still need resources.  What do you expect orgs that don't or can't meet the current arbitrary tests to do?  I think it would be far better for ARIN to be involved in all transfers if only because the database would be more accurate.  Also once ARINs pool of ipv4 is depleted, since you don't want ARIN to support Commodity sales should ARIN just shutdown at that time as almost every transfer will be a commodity transfer?  
> 
> Why is everyone so afraid to allow orgs to actually buy and sell the resources they have/need within ARIN?  
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Kargel
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> Mike,
> While I accept this as your opinion I do not agree with it.  I still see this as a spin to support commodity sales.  
> I do not believe IP as commodity is good for either operators, industry or the community.  It will however serve as a wealth generator for a select few, which again is not the objective of ARIN.  The good or bad of IP as a commodity is probably not the discussion though.  I apologize if I generated thread drift.
> 
> Whether good or bad, ARIN is not here to support commodity sales.  (<-- that's a period at the end of the sentence)
> 
> Respectfully,
> Kevin
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Kevin,
>> 
>> ARIN is not supporting network operators by forcing them into more 
>> expensive and fraught transfer options.
>> Nor by preventing initial allocations via transfer.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>> 
> 
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