[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

[Kevin Kargel]

To give Milton his due he did plainly used the personal  "I" when disclosing that he felt justified in discounting dissenting opinions that do not follow his personal logic flow.  I in no way took that as a statement reflecting the AC as a whole.
I do think it was a very strong defining statement and should be remembered in the future on a number of levels.  

Kevin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sweeting, John [mailto:john.sweeting at twcable.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:44 AM
> To: Milton L Mueller; Kevin Kargel; arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start
> and Simplified Needs Verification
> 
> Good morning PPML,
> 
> I just want to clarify that when Milton says "I want to make it clear that I will
> not count that as serious or justifiable opposition to a policy proposal in any
> AC deliberations.² he is only speaking for Milton and not for any of the other
> members of the AC. There are currently 14 members on the AC and each
> evaluates input from the community according to how they perceive that
> input, there is no wholesale ³we will not count that opposition² as we value
> each and every member¹s opinion.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John Sweeting
> Chair, ARIN Advisory Council
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/23/14, 8:08 AM, "Milton L Mueller" <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> I do not believe IP as commodity is good for either operators,
> >>industry or the  community.  It will however serve as a wealth
> >>generator for a select few,  which again is not the objective of ARIN.
> >>The good or bad of IP as a  commodity is probably not the discussion
> >>though.  I apologize if I generated  thread drift.
> >
> >IP as a commodity is now a settled issue. We certainly are not debating
> >that. However, your kind of religious opposition to market transfers
> >often leads to expressions of opposition to policies that attempt to
> >make the transfer markets work better for operators. I want to make it
> >clear that I will not count that as serious or justifiable opposition
> >to a policy proposal in any AC deliberations.
> >
> >Your contention that ARIN should not support commodity trades is
> >negated completely by a simple logic:
> >
> >IF there is no more free pool, the only way to get additional v4
> >numbers is through the market. Ergo, ARIN's mission of number
> >allocation requires it to make technically sound and economically
> >efficient rules for market transfers of number blocks. IF ARIN doesn't
> >do that, it isn't doing its job.
> >
> >Further, if ARIN insists on validating need before before allowing
> >number blocks to be transferred, then ARIN is by definition validating
> >and supporting commodity sales. So if you want to be consistent about
> >ARIN avoiding any support for commoditization of numbers, you should
> >advocate that ARIN get out of the business of needs assessment for
> >transfers entirely. Then it would be neither supporting nor involving
> >itself in commodity transfers.
> >
> >--MM
> >
> >
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