[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification

[Owen DeLong]

I haven’t weighed in on this, but I will now.

I remain opposed to the idea of uncoupling transfer policy from section 4. There were good reasons we tied the original section 8 language to the existing section 4 requirements and I believe that the extent to which we have already uncoupled them has already had negative effects.

The 3 month limit on free pool allocations to ISPs is proving to be very dysfunctional. Creating incentives to move to the transfer market while a free pool remains is beneficial only to those seeking to profit from the IPv4 marketplace and does nothing to benefit the community overall.

Yes, the slow start problems and some other problems need to be solved, but we should be solving them with updates to section 4 so that they are solved for both free pool and transfer applications.

Owen

On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:24 AM, Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca> wrote:

> Jason,
> 
> I'm specifically concerned about section 4.5 (Multiple Discrete Networks) and 4.2.3.8 (Reassignments for Third Party Internet Access (TPIA) over Cable). 
> 
> The criteria for those policies I see as being in conflict with the 80 percent aggregate utilization in 8.3.2.1 text. 
> 
> 8.3.2.1 Minimum requirements
> Prior to qualifying for non-M&A address transfers, an organization must demonstrate an average of 80% utilization, as measured under section 4, across the aggregate of all addresses that are currently allocated, assigned, reallocated, or reassigned to, or otherwise in use by, the organization.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> From: Jason Schiller [mailto:jschiller at google.com] 
> Sent: September 16, 2014 10:45 PM
> To: Kevin Blumberg
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net List (arin-ppml at arin.net)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-20: Transfer Policy Slow Start and Simplified Needs Verification
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> I am not sure I grasp the question.  If the organization is requesting a direct allocation/assignment from  ARIN then they must qualify under 4.x.  If the organization is requesting approval for transfer space, then they must qualify under 8.x.
> 
> I don't immediately see a case where you might qualify under 4.x but not 8.x other than immediate need (I'll come to that shortly), but I'm guessing you do, and we will need to deal with that.  Maybe something got lost in leveling the playing field between ISP and End-user and if so I'm ok with that (although maybe it should have tipped the other way).
> 
> I consciously made "immediate need" different.  I think actually deployment of in 30 days for ISPs or 25% in 30 days and 50% with in 1 year is a bit burdensome, and I have heard that many Orgs ignore this.  I also think it is problematic to size the block based purely on a future looking projection with little recourse to correct things at the 30 day or 1 year mark.  I wanted to put some teeth into it so I wanted proof of actual things to number (maybe 50% is not the right figure).
> 
> So what is the specific scenario you see?
> 
> __Jason
> 
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:07 PM, Kevin Blumberg <kevinb at thewire.ca> wrote:
> Jason,
>  
> In a situation that a request would be approved under a 4.x section, but not in 8.x, which would take precedence?
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Kevin Blumberg
> 
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