[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: SimplifyingMinimumAllocations and Assignments

[Steven Ryerse]

Owen, you act like 2014-18 is a big deal.  Stand back a moment and look at the forest instead of the trees.  Nobody can corner the market on the new Minimum of a /24 once every year.  It would take me 4 years just to get 1024 addresses and I'd have to pay for them so they are not free and of course they are covered by the RSA so I can't really sell them without ARIN being involved.  

There would probably be a short rush of Orgs getting a /24 that they think they need and then it would be over.  The total number of addresses combined would not be that big and some Orgs that are shut out now - who really do need them - will be able to get them and put them to good use which is what ARIN is supposed to foster.  

This is a little deal in terms of total addresses - why would this be so irresponsible or such bad stewardship.  It seems to me like this would be the opposite and would be good positive stewardship - since it would help ARIN find productive use of the many /24 sized blocks ARIN has that are currently idle.

I think folks in the community are so caught up in protecting the remaining ipv4 resources from running out and from being acquired by bad actors, that small orgs who just need some small resources are being locked out unnecessarily.  

I would respectfully ask when considering 2014-18, everyone look at the actual total effect of this proposed policy change.  It is small and I get the sense from some of the comments that folks don't realize that it would be small.  

Steven Ryerse
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-----Original Message-----
From: Owen DeLong [mailto:owen at delong.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 8:19 PM
To: Steven Ryerse
Cc: Seth Mattinen; arin-ppml at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: SimplifyingMinimumAllocations and Assignments

I believe his point and mine is that from our perspective, ARIN _DOES_ serve small organizations.

I know that ARIN has certainly well served my small organization and many small organizations for which I have managed, requested, and received resources.

So, the foundation to the discussion appears to be what others regard as a flawed premise that ARIN does not currently serve small organizations.

Owen

On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:57 PM, Steven Ryerse <SRyerse at eclipse-networks.com> wrote:

> Fair enough, but you have ignored my challenge to show me where it says in ARINs Mission and founding documents that ARIN and this Community is not supposed to also serve small organizations. That is the foundation to this discussion. 
> 
> Steven Ryerse
> President
> 100 Ashford Center North, Suite 110, Atlanta, GA  30338
> 770.656.1460 - Cell
> 770.399.9099- Office
> 
> ℠ Eclipse Networks, Inc.
>                     Conquering Complex Networks℠
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] 
> On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 5:34 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-18: 
> SimplifyingMinimumAllocations and Assignments
> 
> On 9/3/14, 12:46, Steven Ryerse wrote:
>> Why is it I keep seeing comments from various folks in this community dismissing small organizations?  I would ask you or anyone else to show me where it says in ARINs Mission and founding documents that ARIN and this Community is not supposed to also serve small organizations?  If you can't then I would respectfully ask that this community make a concerted good-will effort to support small organizations equally with larger ones!!!!!!!!
> 
> 
> I am a small org, so my perspective is that of a small org.
> 
> ~Seth
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