[arin-ppml] 2014-1 Out of Region Use

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Wed Oct 22 17:38:37 EDT 2014

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:16 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> On Oct 22, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> "ARIN reserves the right to request a listing of all the applicant's
>>>> number holdings in the region(s) of proposed use"
>>> I feel it should be eliminated. As it was mentioned at the microphone
>>> in the Baltimore meeting, ARIN isn't consistent in applications of
>>> language like and appear to be widely abused. ARIN already has
>>> Section 12. Why is that not good enough?
>> I agree with Marty here. We could eliminate that, if you all think Section 12 is enough.
> Milton -
> Note that NRPM Section 12 provides only that "ARIN may review the current usage
> of any resources maintained in the ARIN database." - it would not appear that
> this language provides ARIN the ability to request information and utilization
> on resources held in other regions, as envisioned by the present 2014-1 draft
> policy text.
> If you wish to drop the language pertaining to obtaining a list of applicants
> number resources and rely on NRPM 12 for this purpose instead, then it would
> appear necessary to revise NRPM 12's scope to cover resources held outside of
> the region.  This community may want to carefully consider the merits and
> issues with each potential approach before deciding one way or the other.

Not sure why ARIN needs to know what other RIR resources are in use by
a company or what their utilization rate is beyond the public whois
database(s). If I'm in compliance with the other RIR's policies its
none of ARINs business outside of how I am using _their_ resources.
Section 12 should be more than adequate for their needs*.

This also continues to contain broken language with respect to
internet operational realities.

Why should ARIN dictate what facilities and services I can and can't
use to justify resources? Ex: "The services and facilities used to
justify the need for ARIN resources that will be used out of region
cannot also be used to justify resource requests from another RIR."
How will they even know? I don't give the other RIRs permission to
share data and I don't give them permission to share data. I also have
facilities and services (data centers, circuits, etc) that use ARIN
resources along side with RIPE/APNIC/etc resources. This work is
technically unsound.

Most of this policy is a regurgitation of other policies or concepts
that already exist (ex: sign an officer attestation). Recycling seems
to only make this work worse.



* Why don't we instead develop a needs test that ARIN must meet in
order to get any information from anyone?

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