[arin-ppml] [ARIN-20140107-F1419] Fraud Report on CloudRadium LLC

Scott Leibrand scottleibrand at gmail.com
Tue Oct 14 19:29:21 EDT 2014


Such a percentage was proposed last year, and rejected by the community.

ARIN-2014-1 proposes to allow out of region use.  Based on the discussion
in Baltimore, I think it would be appropriate to have an absolute minimum
amount of in-region resource use before an organization qualifies to count
its out-of-region use toward its total requirements.  I think a good
threshold is a /22 for IPv4, a /44 (or /48) for IPv6, or 1 ASN,
respectively.

Would that address your concern?

-Scott


On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net> wrote:

>
>
> On 10/14/2014 3:56 PM, John Curran wrote:
>
>> On Oct 13, 2014, at 19:31 , Adam Thompson<athompso at athompso.net>  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> John, or Leslie, or any other board or staff:
>>> Has ARIN considered - and possibly rejected - any of these options:
>>> 1. Developing a dedicated Fraud investigation department or team, or
>>>
>>
>> This can be done, but it will not yield any different results in the case
>> of an organization that is "making fake contracts with unexists or
>> imaginable
>> customers and making up the equipment list and purchase invoices, which
>> make
>> their business looks like the same as the real one." (as stated by
>> xiaofan)
>>
>>  2. Hiring translators and/or bilingual or "bicultural" (spell check OK'd
>>> that so I guess it's a word!) staff to mitigate the difficulty in doing
>>> these investigations, or
>>> 3. Outsourcing foreign fraud investigations, possibly with the
>>> assistance (direct or otherwise) of the relevant RIR?
>>>
>>
>> We actually have very good working relationships with the other RIRs for
>> this reason, and have asked for assistance as needed for translation and
>> data verification... This is rather labor intensive, and will not uncover
>> fabricated data that has been diligently prepared, as verification of both
>> customer and business contact information is exceedingly difficult in some
>> countries outside of the ARIN service region (even if undertaken by the
>> RIR
>> servicing that area.)
>>
>> We have been able to detect fraudulent applications that were similar in
>> character to this case (and do reject such), but we routinely see these
>> sorts of requests, i.e. ones backed by nominal in region presence and
>> entirely out of region customer demand.
>>
>>
> Perhaps a policy proposal of a requirement of 70% of IP numbering
> requested must be used for in-region demand, would be in order?
>
> Ted
>
>
>  FYI,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>>
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