[arin-ppml] [ARIN-20140107-F1419] Fraud Report on CloudRadium LLC

Ted Mittelstaedt tedm at ipinc.net
Tue Oct 14 19:19:36 EDT 2014

On 10/14/2014 3:56 PM, John Curran wrote:
> On Oct 13, 2014, at 19:31 , Adam Thompson<athompso at athompso.net>  wrote:
>> John, or Leslie, or any other board or staff:
>> Has ARIN considered - and possibly rejected - any of these options:
>> 1. Developing a dedicated Fraud investigation department or team, or
> This can be done, but it will not yield any different results in the case
> of an organization that is "making fake contracts with unexists or imaginable
> customers and making up the equipment list and purchase invoices, which make
> their business looks like the same as the real one." (as stated by xiaofan)
>> 2. Hiring translators and/or bilingual or "bicultural" (spell check OK'd that so I guess it's a word!) staff to mitigate the difficulty in doing these investigations, or
>> 3. Outsourcing foreign fraud investigations, possibly with the assistance (direct or otherwise) of the relevant RIR?
> We actually have very good working relationships with the other RIRs for
> this reason, and have asked for assistance as needed for translation and
> data verification... This is rather labor intensive, and will not uncover
> fabricated data that has been diligently prepared, as verification of both
> customer and business contact information is exceedingly difficult in some
> countries outside of the ARIN service region (even if undertaken by the RIR
> servicing that area.)
> We have been able to detect fraudulent applications that were similar in
> character to this case (and do reject such), but we routinely see these
> sorts of requests, i.e. ones backed by nominal in region presence and
> entirely out of region customer demand.

Perhaps a policy proposal of a requirement of 70% of IP numbering 
requested must be used for in-region demand, would be in order?


> FYI,
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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