[arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?

Adam Thompson athompso at athompso.net
Thu Nov 20 02:17:21 EST 2014


Because the lack of multi-homing as a justification makes every IP address user a captive of their initial carrier.  Do *you* know anyone who will renumber (short of going out of business altogether)?
I think this is an extremely bad idea, tantamount to ARIN "selling out" to ILECs, but further explanation will have to wait until morning when I'm fully awake.
-Adam Thompson

On November 19, 2014 11:20:33 PM CST, Martin  Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Anyone want to debate why there is any multi homing requirement in
>2014? 
>
>Best,
>
>-M<
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>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 22:18, John Von Stein
><John at qxccommunications.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking from recent / current experience, the multi-homing
>requirement is a bit of a challenge for tweener-sized organizations
>like QxC.  We are too big for underlying fiber carriers to comfortably
>continue to supply our need for IP addresses but not in the position to
>carry the financial, technical or operational challenges of
>multi-homing.  This was a very significant cost commitment for QxC and
>I can imagine this is not achievable for other like-sized ISPs. 
>Granted, we are better off for it now but had I known how much of a
>financial and technical hurdle this really was then I probably would
>not have done it.  I just needed more IP addresses to continue to grow
>my biz and would have much rather spent the money and manpower on
>marketing/sales/customer acquisition.  Multi-homing is a nice-to-have
>luxury that none of my customers are willing to pay for so it is simply
>a cost of entry to get the IP addresses we need to continue to grow our
>customer base. 
>>  
>> As such, I support dropping multi-homing as a prerequisite for an IP
>allocation. 
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> John W. Von Stein
>> CEO
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>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
>On Behalf Of Richard J. Letts
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:24 PM
>> To: Steve King; arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?
>>  
>> I believe the intent was there.
>>  
>> orgs that have a justifiable/provable need for a /24 were been
>restricted by their current/lone provider being unwilling to give them
>enough address space. Not everyone has the ability to change providers,
>and  if you can’t change providers then you certainly would not be able
>to multihome..
>>  
>> Richard Letts
>> 
>>  
>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
>On Behalf Of Steve King
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:47 AM
>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?
>>  
>> The changes implemented in ARIN-2014-13, specifically the removal of
>4.3.2.2, appear to have removed the multi-homing justification for a
>/24 for end users.  Previously, the need to multi-home, and proof of
>contracts with multiple upstream providers, was sufficient to justify a
>/24 to participate in BGP.
>>  
>> For reassignments from ISPs, the language remains in 4.2.3.6.  Users
>can justify a /24 via a requirement to multi-home rather than
>utilization rate.  However this revision appears to leave utilization
>rate as the only criterion for direct end-user assignments.
>>  
>> Was this the intent or possibly an overlooked side effect of the
>change?
>>  
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>>  
>> Steve King
>> ICON Aircraft
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