[arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers? => Need for Governance

Kevin Kargel kkargel at polartel.com
Mon Nov 10 11:17:58 EST 2014

Are you suggesting ARIN start suspending networks with unresponsive POC's?  I would have to think hard before supporting that approach.

I would support a proposal that no new resources be issued to any organization with an unresponsive 'admin|tech|abuse' POC.


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> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net] On
> Behalf Of Michael Peddemors
> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 9:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers? => Need for Governance
> On 14-11-10 07:34 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> > I have to agree with Ted. ARIN is not in the 'acceptable use enforcement'
> business and that is a line that should not be crossed.  There are many other
> agencies and venues more appropriate for the task of spam regulation.  ARIN
> is not a first amendment police, and they are not responsible for misuse of
> member networks.  ARIN's sole job is registration of IP number resources.
> >
> > I am 100% in favor of limiting and restricting spam and other malicious
> internet abuses, but ARIN is not the appropriate agency to assign the onus of
> policing these bad actors.  I applaud all the efforts to fight spam and
> encourage everyone to become much more active and involved in
> combatting it, but please do it from a proper agency.
> >
> > Kevin
> However, ARIN does have the mandate regarding proper SWIP for delegated
> IP Addresses, and enforcement in that area might be the first step.
> Many of those 'spammers' use forged or false information, and while ARIN is
> not the right place to judge the usage of IP(s), it does have the mandate to
> determine whether an organization is entitled to new resources.
> This is a 'first step' which I believe ARIN needs more support in addressing,
> and stronger mandates in this area.
> This would help prevent abuse.  Usage of a public resource such as an IP
> Address, should have clearly presented, accurate information as to the party
> using and responsible for such activity.
> Some providers are very forward in this regard, requiring identification of
> users/organizations who wish to use their IP resources, and using 'rwhois'
> servers and/or SWIP to clearly report this, while others simply ignore ARIN
> guidelines, can't be bothered, or turn a blind eye.
> It would be helpful to deal with the later in a more effective way, than simply
> 'taking a  report' of this occurring.
> There are many 'can-spam' laws etc, that can address spammers, however if
> the information of the operators is false, inaccurate, or missing, that brings
> extra challenges.
> I believe if the information was more accurate, it would also curb some of
> that activity, freeing up IP addresses for better use.
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