[arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?

[lar at mwtcorp.net]

On Thu, 20 Nov 2014 01:17:21 -0600
  Adam Thompson <athompso at athompso.net> wrote:
> Because the lack of multi-homing as a justification makes every IP address user a captive of their initial carrier.  Do *you* 
>know anyone who will renumber (short of going out of business altogether)?


Yes, me

I have renumbered a /20 4 times. Not fun but not that bad either. Takes about 6 months to
work through.

> I think this is an extremely bad idea, tantamount to ARIN "selling out" to ILECs, but further explanation will have to wait 
>until morning when I'm fully awake.
> -Adam Thompson
> 
> On November 19, 2014 11:20:33 PM CST, Martin  Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Anyone want to debate why there is any multi homing requirement in
>>2014? 
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>-M<
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 22:18, John Von Stein
>><John at qxccommunications.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Speaking from recent / current experience, the multi-homing
>>requirement is a bit of a challenge for tweener-sized organizations
>>like QxC.  We are too big for underlying fiber carriers to comfortably
>>continue to supply our need for IP addresses but not in the position to
>>carry the financial, technical or operational challenges of
>>multi-homing.  This was a very significant cost commitment for QxC and
>>I can imagine this is not achievable for other like-sized ISPs. 
>>Granted, we are better off for it now but had I known how much of a
>>financial and technical hurdle this really was then I probably would
>>not have done it.  I just needed more IP addresses to continue to grow
>>my biz and would have much rather spent the money and manpower on
>>marketing/sales/customer acquisition.  Multi-homing is a nice-to-have
>>luxury that none of my customers are willing to pay for so it is simply
>>a cost of entry to get the IP addresses we need to continue to grow our
>>customer base. 
>>>  
>>> As such, I support dropping multi-homing as a prerequisite for an IP
>>allocation. 
>>>  
>>> Thank you,
>>> John W. Von Stein
>>> CEO
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>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
>>On Behalf Of Richard J. Letts
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 1:24 PM
>>> To: Steve King; arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?
>>>  
>>> I believe the intent was there.
>>>  
>>> orgs that have a justifiable/provable need for a /24 were been
>>restricted by their current/lone provider being unwilling to give them
>>enough address space. Not everyone has the ability to change providers,
>>and  if you can’t change providers then you certainly would not be able
>>to multihome..
>>>  
>>> Richard Letts
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net]
>>On Behalf Of Steve King
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:47 AM
>>> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
>>> Subject: [arin-ppml] Multi-homing justification removed?
>>>  
>>> The changes implemented in ARIN-2014-13, specifically the removal of
>>4.3.2.2, appear to have removed the multi-homing justification for a
>>/24 for end users.  Previously, the need to multi-home, and proof of
>>contracts with multiple upstream providers, was sufficient to justify a
>>/24 to participate in BGP.
>>>  
>>> For reassignments from ISPs, the language remains in 4.2.3.6.  Users
>>can justify a /24 via a requirement to multi-home rather than
>>utilization rate.  However this revision appears to leave utilization
>>rate as the only criterion for direct end-user assignments.
>>>  
>>> Was this the intent or possibly an overlooked side effect of the
>>change?
>>>  
>>>                                                                      
>>                                                                       
>>>  
>>> Steve King
>>> ICON Aircraft
>>>  
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