[arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers? => Need for Governance

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

On 11/10/2014 8:17 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
> Are you suggesting ARIN start suspending networks with unresponsive POC's?  I would have to think hard before supporting that approach.
>
> I would support a proposal that no new resources be issued to any organization with an unresponsive 'admin|tech|abuse' POC.
>

Hi Kevin,

It's already policy.

POCs that are unresponsive are supposed to be marked in the database as
unresponsive.  ARIN is also supposed to further investigate them
and mark them invalid.  That is implied by Section 3.6.1 of the
policy manual

Invalid POCs by definition cannot be used as justification for meeting 
the numerical requirements for utilization in order to obtain more
addressing.

Is it your view that this process is not happening?  Is ARIN not
making available a list of these invalid POCs via bulk Whois as
the policy requires?

Ted

> Kevin
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN IPs and Spammers? =>  Need for Governance
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>> On 14-11-10 07:34 AM, Kevin Kargel wrote:
>>> I have to agree with Ted. ARIN is not in the 'acceptable use enforcement'
>> business and that is a line that should not be crossed.  There are many other
>> agencies and venues more appropriate for the task of spam regulation.  ARIN
>> is not a first amendment police, and they are not responsible for misuse of
>> member networks.  ARIN's sole job is registration of IP number resources.
>>>
>>> I am 100% in favor of limiting and restricting spam and other malicious
>> internet abuses, but ARIN is not the appropriate agency to assign the onus of
>> policing these bad actors.  I applaud all the efforts to fight spam and
>> encourage everyone to become much more active and involved in
>> combatting it, but please do it from a proper agency.
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>
>> However, ARIN does have the mandate regarding proper SWIP for delegated
>> IP Addresses, and enforcement in that area might be the first step.
>>
>> Many of those 'spammers' use forged or false information, and while ARIN is
>> not the right place to judge the usage of IP(s), it does have the mandate to
>> determine whether an organization is entitled to new resources.
>>
>> This is a 'first step' which I believe ARIN needs more support in addressing,
>> and stronger mandates in this area.
>>
>> This would help prevent abuse.  Usage of a public resource such as an IP
>> Address, should have clearly presented, accurate information as to the party
>> using and responsible for such activity.
>>
>> Some providers are very forward in this regard, requiring identification of
>> users/organizations who wish to use their IP resources, and using 'rwhois'
>> servers and/or SWIP to clearly report this, while others simply ignore ARIN
>> guidelines, can't be bothered, or turn a blind eye.
>>
>> It would be helpful to deal with the later in a more effective way, than simply
>> 'taking a  report' of this occurring.
>>
>> There are many 'can-spam' laws etc, that can address spammers, however if
>> the information of the operators is false, inaccurate, or missing, that brings
>> extra challenges.
>>
>> I believe if the information was more accurate, it would also curb some of
>> that activity, freeing up IP addresses for better use.
>>
>>
>>
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